Early Israeli nuclear pre-emption is not only justified but almost mandatory.

The author of the AT article below makes a convincing argument for why a pre-emptive Israeli nuclear attack on Iran is not only justified but almost mandatory. Please read the article before you comment, and please vote in the poll.

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/08/thinking_about_the_unthinkable_an_israeliran_nuclear_war_.html

Following the US’s betrayal of Israel and its de facto detente with Iran, we cannot expect Israel to copy longstanding US doctrines of no-first-nuclear-use and preferences for conventional-weapons-only war plans. After all, both were premised (especially after the USSR’s 1991 collapse) on decades of US nuclear and conventional supremacy. If there ever were an unassailable case for a small, frighteningly vulnerable nation to pre-emptively use nuclear weapons to shock, economically paralyze, and decapitate am enemy sworn to its destruction, Israel has arrived at that circumstance.

…Israel has no choice, given the radical new alignment against it that now includes the US, given reported Obama threats in 2014 to shoot down Israeli attack planes, his disclosure of Israel’s nuclear secrets and its Central Asian strike-force recovery bases, and above all his agreement to help Iran protect its enrichment facilities from terrorists and cyberwarfare – i.e., from the very special-operations and cyber forces that Israel would use in desperate attempts to halt Iran’s bomb.

“A more recent video game envisions a massive Iranian ground army marching to liberate Jerusalem.”

Holy shit, that must mean that the US has been planning the genocide of Iran and Russia for over a decade!

The author stinks of Saudi oil and the military-industrial complex and is nakedly misapplying the lessons of Chamberlain and Munich.

I don’t think a nuclear preemptive strike is justified, but I think Israel should do whatever it takes to make sure Iran’s nuclear program is as stillborn as Iraq’s super gun.

Did you read the entire article? Perhaps you did, and if so, read it again. Israel has very few options left on the table, of which a pre-emptive strike is the most probable to ensure the survival of Israel. Of course, the Iran apologists on M4C will never cease lambasting Israel, underscoring their antisemitism.

Agree. If Israel goes the route of a nuclear pre-emptive strike they will and should loose whatever support they have from the world as a whole.

Have no issue with them bunker busting, kidnapping or assassinating their way into making sure that nuclear program fails utterly. They and everyone else needs to do what they need to protect themselves. They do need to understand that if they kick a hornets nest they may get stung.

I have never read so much mindless drivel in my life, I feel stupider for reading as much as I did.

We care about Israel why again?

Personally I think we should let the bunch of them have it out. We should stop buying oil from any of them. I don’t see Iran as any worse than Saudi Arabia. The only difference is the Saudi’d play nice because they want to sell us something. I’m sure Iran would play nice too if we allowed them to sell anything.

I think we should pull all americans from the region and put all of that time and effort into non fossil fuel energy. The only thing that gives these countries power is the only we give them for oil. Oil is not the only show in town.

If we turn our back on the region soon enough they will be back to herding goats.

To answer you question directly, let Israel do anything it wants. Less warm bodies in the region is better, let them all kill each other.

First off, I think the author of the American Thinker article is batshit crazy. I think there are so many unforeseen negative consequences of a preemptive nuclear strike for convenience that I don’t think anyone should ever go there.

That said, I do think Israel has the right to conventionally defend themselves against legitimate threats to their safety like any nation.

Although I do not like the Iranian regime, I do question the actual threat from Iran. For the last 15 years all of the supposed Neo-Con experts have been saying that Iran is really close to getting Nuclear weapons but they still don’t have them yet. Second again the comparison to Nazi Germany is just simply fear mongering. Iran has a third rate economy which is 2% of the size of the U.S. economy and unlike the Germans, Iran really doesn’t have a tradition of being militarily strong nor competent. Finally, the Mullahs in Iran are on the way out. The Iranian people want more freedom and opportunity and it is only a matter of time before the Mullahs are gone.

Interestingly enough, the Saudi’s are funding ISIS and 15 out of the 19 terrorist on 9/11 were Saudi. Yet Saudi Arabia is an ally while Iran who is actually fighting ISIS is an enemy.

Doesn’t Israel already have over 100nukes already? And how many does Iran actually have? I’m not seeing the threat,here…

It’s too late for Israel to do anything militarily. They said their piece and did and will continue on with their behind the scenes game, but an all out out military strike (especially solo) is simply not an option as it will galvanize everyone against them. The nuclear agreement with Iran is the nail in that coffin. The best they can do now is keep quiet and defend/react as devastatingly as possible as they have always done and cry “I Told You So!” if they are gone after.

ETA: Voted that no one is justified in military action anymore thanks to the nuclear agreement.

It’s not for us to say. I’m not a big fan of pre-emptive strikes. I’m more for “speak softly, but carry a big stick” style diplomacy. My suggested course of action is to stop sending money to Israel and take the U.S. muzzle off them at the same time. If they want to risk a conventional war with Iran by conducting a pre-emptive strike on Iran’s nuclear facilities, that’s on them. We just need to make it clear that Israel is our ally and that any nuke strike on Israel will result in the immediate annihilation of every living thing within theirIran’s borders.

We’re still the only country in the world that’s used nukes on our enemies. We need to remind the Iranian leadership of that fact as often as necessary…

Pre-emptive strike on Iran by Israel is the only way for them to survive.

Let Iran drop nukes on Israel and Israel definitely will not survive.

If thugs in a parking lot declare they’re going to kill you, then come at you with weapons in their hands do you pull immediately before they get there or first let them kill one or more of your loved ones before you act?

Would just like to point out it isn’t always a duck. I have many valid criticisms of Israel, but that doesn’t equate to anti semetism.

Because of widespread antisemitism, Israel has been vehemently criticized anytime they’ve decidedly defended their state from those who seek its annihilation. If the United States was faced with multiple aggressors that pledged its destruction, and one or more of these aggressors did everything in their power to acquire, in secret, a nuclear weapon, do you expect the US to wait until we’re hit? If you do, you’re delusional. Israel is on the verge of extinction, and the use of nuclear weapons is justified. If Israel strikes Iran with a nuclear device, there will condemnation, but no one will dare counter launch.

Pre-emptive strike, yes.
Nuclear, no.

Think about the countries east of Iran, because that’s where the fallout would be headed. That drags us into a war we don’t need.

First of all, “antisemitism” is just Israel’s race card. Any criticism is seen as antisemetic, and that’s just BS. Second, if Israel nukes Iran, damned skippy there would be condemnation, and Israel’s economy would go into the crapper, they would be shunned by the world, no more $ or oil. Talk about pariah? Then any number of Israel’s neighbors could try to attack Israel and the world would just whistle and go about its business.

As a matter of fact, the US DOES, and HAS HAD, multiple agressors that pledge its destruction, with one or more of these aggressors doing everything in their power to acquire nuclear weapons, and the US has not once used a nuke on any one of these actors or nation-states.

The threat is that they might throw a middle finger up, and start selling oil for something other than Federal Reserve Notes.

:rolleyes: Antisemitism. One can disapprove of a country without disapproving of it’s predominant religion. I have a very devout Roman Catholic buddy that hates Italy.

It’s important to make the distinction that even if a person supports the Israeli people and the right of Israel to exist as a nation, their country can still have corrupt and idiotic politicians just like the US can.

Having said that, I wonder if Israel waited too long already.

My thoughts exactly.