I have purchased parts and gear from these guys in the past but have no experiance with their house brand products.
I received an email news letter from them today announcing their new line of Kydex holsters and mag carriers.
With their price point, AVAILABILITY, and configuration I think DSG maybe a heavy contender in the holster game.
I was thinking about ordering one just to check them out, especially since they are actually stocking these.
I have been happy with their service in the past and I get stuff from them extra fast as I am pretty sure they are based about an hour from me.
hopefully they’ll start offering LH mag & holster options.
I will post a quick review and a couple of pictures when mine arrives in the next couple of days. I ordered one for my 19 and then a single mag holder for both the 19 and an AR15.
I’ll look forward to reading your review. The more quality producers out there, the better.
Raven should definitely take this as a compliment. And no, I’m not being a hater. Let’s see how they hold up.
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Yes, please post any reviews.
I think I’m gonna pull the trigger on a holster and a double mag carrier.
This.
If Charlie reads this thread, I’d love a LH AR mag carrier. I’m one of those weirdo’s that shoots a rifle lefthanded, and a pistol righthanded.
So a mag carrier that is big and bulky is not a help.
And yes, I’ve hand very good service from DSG as well.
Good (and smart of DSG) to see them branching out with their holster lineup. Love the company and have had very good experience ordering from them. Wish them the best of success.
-Jax
DSG is a good outfit.
They are one of the handful of vendors that I give my money.
These holsters look like they lack a sweat shield.
Are these meant for OWB carry only?
The problem with ALL holsters is that if they use Kydex for the belt loops, it isn’t a matter of “if” they will break, but when.
C4
The fatigue life of most plastics is terrible.
Yep. The real problem with Kydez is that it has a grain (like wood). Have the grain going the wrong way and you can break a holster (either the spine or the belt loops) in short order.
C4
Grant,
I have to respectfully disagree. I don’t think that the problem with belt loops breaking is easy enough to diagnose as using Kydex as the material. There are a lot of things that influence if belt loops - or holsters for that matter - will break. The material being used is just one part of the equation.
The real issue is workmanship. I absolutely don’t believe that kydex is just “two pieces of plastic riveted together”. There’s a reason some companies are considered safe bets while others a gamble - whether it be durability or being able to quote an honest lead time. The “safe bets” will see great success while others struggle to keep up.
As far as belt loops, there are many factors in whether they will hold up or not. I’m not going to cover all of them - because some lessons need to be learned the hard way by the multitude of kydex shops coming to the scene. I think belt loops are the HARDEST thing to get right - and the most important aspect of the holster next to the draw.
One is thickness. The PSI ratings of the different grades of kydex are very high. There is some “give” in kydex that is safe. Go past this safe zone - and the plastic is fatigued. Think of putting a softball on a piece of cellophane wrap. It will sag and eventually bust through. Even though it didn’t initially break - the wrap is still fatigued. Now add several more pieces of cellophane wrap - and you will eventually reach a point that can hold the softball forever without breaking.
Two is color. In plastics, colors are always softer then black. You can run PMAGS over with trucks and they hold up - but then you will hear about the Dark Earth ones having their feed lips crack. Colors have a lower threshold of fatigue.
Three - and in my opinion most important - is workmanship. When I see a picture of broken belt loops or holsters - I can usually tell exactly why it broke. I can almost guarantee that some holsters on the market - even at 0.093" - will break. It’s usually at the spine of the sweatguard or at the trigger guard. Those who work with and really understand kydex will know exactly why they will break in this spot. I’d be willing to talk more about that via PM. But there are many factors that will make a belt loop last while others break.
Fourth is the material used. I think saying “kydex loops WILL break” is akin to saying that ARs not using a FailZero BCG will break. Kydex may not the ultimate material to use for belt loops - but on a user level it CAN be perfectly suitable and durable. It all depends on how it was made, thickness, grade, and design. On that note - I do not think Kydex T (even 0.125") is ideal, and we use a different (ie stronger) grade.
On a user / customer level - properly made Kydex loops will not be noticeably different then other synthetic loops. There is also the advantage of being able to have several different sizes and designs available. For example, a Browning High Power is a lot thinner then a Glock 21 - so it can be nice to have the belt loops reflect the dimensional differences so the holster rides closer to the body.
Now on a manufacturer / employer level - injection molded loops have the incredible advantage of saving money and speeding production up. Once the tooling cost is paid - the material is a fraction of the cost that Kydex is. More importantly though, it removes most human labor (the truly expensive part). The only way I’ve found to properly do belt loops with kydex requires each loop to be molded and finished individually from an experienced craftsman. This takes a ton of time - which means more labor cost and slower production. For those reasons, Kydex loops are a very poor choice - but that doesn’t necessarily affect the customer. The other advantage to injection molded loops are that the cost of the initial tooling is high enough to “seperate” the more successful companies - who can then try and push them as being “mandatory”.
I’m not saying injection molded belt loops are a worse choice then handmade kydex loops. That is certainly not true. But as far as functionality - they can be equal depending on who made what. I think a big problem is there is such a wide selection of kydex holsters right now, and most people can’t spot what seperates the wheat from the chaff.
For example, I recently had a Border Patrol agent look me straight in the face and say “I won’t run Kydex holsters because they push the slide out of battery”. Now this is certainly not true of any company who knows what they are doing - but this man’s experience with a company was bad enough to completely turn him off from Kydex holsters. So it’s similar to someone having their belt loops break and swearing off kydex belt loops - without understanding it was most likely a design issue. I agree that the more options customers have - the better. But at the same time, when a company doesn’t take the time to master their products - it can affect other companies poorly. The same can be said of spreading oversimplified information. I’ve heard everything from “anything thinner then 0.093” kydex on the holster body will break" to “I only use real guns because blue guns are so out of spec that they don’t work for making holsters”. A lot of times, people hear this and take it as fact - continuing to pass it around unkowingly.
I have never had any of our kydex loops break. I’ve never had a holster body crack yet (this includes many 0.06" holsters as well). The only items that have broken from my shop were 3 sets of open ended IWB Kydex clips - which is a completely different concept then closed ended loops (i.e. standard belt loops) - and most companies won’t make these for that reason. Even here I believe I’ve found a solution that makes them durable enough to last without looking outside of kydex. But if I was a customer looking for a company to buy from - knowing what I know from working with Kydex and speaking with Kydex LLC at length about the material - I’d choose a company based on more important distinguishing factors then belt loops. First would be reputation, second would be their ability to quote (or overquote) an honest lead time, and lastly their level of experience. Practice makes perfect. There are hard learned lessons that you will learn only by repetition.
Every kydex holster company is still using kydex for their hard belt loops - in one form or another. Kydex LLC will flat out tell you that if you can’t get belt loops made from Kydex not to break (considering the correct grade and thickness is used) then you aren’t making them correctly.
Sorry for the rant - but I absolutely don’t agree that using Kydex for loop material automatically means they are faulty. It’s a much bigger issue - and by using that logic we would have to start saying that “0.08” Kydex T holster bodies WILL break" as some of the lesser thought out designs begin to break over time. Magpul and Tapco both make polymer magazines. One almost never fails while the other has issues. The material being used isn’t the problem, its the design.
I do have a dog in this fight - as does the other side of the argument - but I am being completely open and honest about my experience on this issue - which I believe is to be expected on this site. I’m also not knocking any companies inparticular, and complimenting the companies who put in the time to master their trade. I don’t think it’s necessary to name who they are - because it should be pretty obvious at this point in time who knows what they are doing. If not, I hear Google helps.
Also, congrats on becoming VSM regional instructor. That’s a huge accomplishment as a trainer. I’ll be watching for the 14.5" LW BCM uppers to come back in stock. Can’t beat your pricing.
Cheers.
Hey Steve. Very interesting stuff. Nice work.
For whats its worth… I find your website very difficult to navigate and desipher what products are. I’ll admit I can be overly critical (I’m a webmaster). Think some more thought about navigation and layout could go a long way. Nice clean site though.
Will your weapon light holster hold the gun firmly w/o the light attached?
I’ve noticed that a holster were made to fit a WX150 but the bezel area was made 1/2 inch longer a holster that fits a WX150 would also fit an x300. Food for thought.
-T
Convertible to Inside the Waistband carry (NO additional hardware required)
How do they do this? I don’t understand with the loops shown in their pics how this can be IWB. Are they saying that it comes with the additional clips so you don’t need to buy more or that you can somehow use the loops?
Steve thank you for the info. Seems like you have an idea of what your talking about. Your input is always appreciated.
Sent you some PMs a while back. Shoot me a message sometime when you get a chance.
If not, you probably just flip the hardware from back to front.
It may not be a quick on/off option by the looks of the hardware tho.
T - not arguing there at all. Our website is homegrown by the person with the most web skills - which aren’t the best. It’s more of a problem since we have a lot of products on there. We will outgrow it soon enough hopefully.
Sounds interesting. Shoot me an email. I dont want to hijack DSG’s thread anymore, but I didn’t think they’d mind my post.
Hey brother. M4C keeps locking up on me randomly, but I’m shooting you a message right now. Best to you, your men, and their families this holiday.
Well I went ahead and ordered one for a M&P9 fs.
Once it comes in I’ll post up my thoughts on the holster along with some pictures.