Don't Ask Don't Tell going Away? How do you feel

Today the Chairman of the JCS announced that it is about time to end Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell. How do you all feel about this particular change in policy? What effect do you think it will have on the Army, Navy and Marines?

WASHINGTON — U.S. Defence Secretary Robert Gates on Tuesday told Congress he’ll seek an end to the 16-year-old ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ policy that has banned gay men and women from serving openly in the nation’s armed forces.

In testimony before the Senate Armed Services Committee, Gates announced the Pentagon will begin a formal review aimed at finding ways to manage the still-controversial idea of integrating gay and lesbian personnel into U.S. military culture. President Barack Obama made the issue a priority in his state of the union address last week.

“The question before us is not whether the military prepares to make this change, but how we best prepare for it,” said Gates. “We have received our orders from the commander-in-chief and we are moving out accordingly.”

But Gates’ proposal was immediately challenged by Republicans who contend now — with American fighting two wars overseas — is not the right time to make such a dramatic change in military policy.

Arizona Senator John McCain described ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ as “imperfect but effective,” and said he was “deeply disappointed” by Gates’ remarks.

He warned that ending the policy would have an adverse impact on unit cohesion within the military and reminded Gates that Congress has the final authority on whether to repeal the policy.

“Your statement obviously is one that is clearly biased without the view of Congress being taken into consideration,” McCain said. “I’m happy to say that we still have a Congress of the United States to repeal ‘don’t ask don’t tell,’ despite your efforts to repeal it in many respects by fiat.”

More than 13,500 personnel have been discharged from the American military since passage of the policy in 1993. The law forbids military commanders of inquiring about the sexual orientation of soldiers, sailors and marines — essentially requiring gays to serve only in secret.

At the time it was approved, former president Bill Clinton believed ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ was a workable compromise between his own desire to see gays embraced by the military and strong opposition from Pentagon brass.

But the policy has come under steady fire over the years for provisions that allow the discharge of service members who are ‘outed’ by other soldiers or former lovers.

Admiral Michael Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, cast the policy as both discriminatory to homosexual soldiers and damaging to an overstretched U.S. military that can no longer afford to turn people away based on sexual orientation.

“Speaking for myself and myself only, it is my personal belief that allowing gays and lesbians to serve openly would be the right thing to do,” Mullen said in testimony alongside Gates.

“No matter how I look at the issue, I cannot escape being troubled by the fact that we have in place a policy which forces young men and women to lie about who they are in order to defend their fellow citizens.”

The number of gay and lesbian personnel forced to leave the military reached a peak of 1,227 in 2001, but has fallen steadily in recent years amid protracted wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The Pentagon’s review of the policy is expected to take up to a year, with additional time to implement the new rules if Congress approves the changes, Gates said.

The Pentagon is said to be worried about potential disruption in some quarters of the military, where support for ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ remains high.

Until new rules are developed, Gates indicated the Pentagon will seek to enforce the existing policy in a more “humane and fair manner,” raising the possibility of even fewer prosecutions.

Opponents of the ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ policy applauded Gates’ decision to pursue its repeal but said the year-long time frame was too long.

“The idea that such an extended process is necessary to adequately prepare for full legislative repeal is ill-informed,” said Alexander Nicholson, executive director of Servicemembers United. “While a modest implementation planning period is reasonable given current political and operational circumstances, it is important that there be a clearly defined — preferably via statute — set end-date for full repeal.”

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FOXNews.com
Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Adm. Mike Mullen say they support an end to the military’s controversial ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’ policy. Do you think it’s time to repeal it?

Fox News Poll

Sorry, My choice was not an option.

I don’t care one way or the other. If a man or woman wants to serve and act in a professional manor, then it should not matter what their sexual preference maybe.

i’m personally a big fan of don’t-ask-don’t-tell. i’m morally opposed to homosexual activity, but people are going to do what they want to do. just keep it quiet, and you can serve your country.

“open” homosexuality in the military is a distraction, a hindrance, and does nothing but invite “hate” crimes.

you shouldn’t be asked if you’re homosexual, you shouldn’t be discriminated against for being a homosexual, but blatant or “open” homosexuality should not be tolerated in the military.

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One should not be discriminated upon because of what they were born with. The bigoted view that homosexuals are all flamboyant and weak is one created out of ignorance and homophobia.

So should blatant or “open” heterosexuality should not be tolerated either?

My thoughts exactly. Tell or don’t tell they’re not going away.

We should all be allowed to serve our country, as long as we can act accordingly.

I don’t really care either way. The whole thing was just a ploy to get some votes anyway.

Really? You think everyone should be allow to serve? What about mentally ill? Convicted felons? Convicted drug offenders? The obese? I missed it in the U.S. Constitution where serving in the military was a Right. :rolleyes:

have you ever been in the military? it’s a BAD place to get caught being gay. especially combat units.

we had one guy in our unit who would pop boners in the shower- he never admitted to being gay, and aside from the boner thing, there was no indication he was gay… but the treatment he got from the rest of the 'toon was awful. “shunned” doesn’t even begin to describe it. he tried to tough it out, but was gone in three months time.

call it “homophobia” if you want- like gays, it isn’t going away. as long as you have two guys fucking, you’re going to have a majority that gets freaked out by it. is homosexual activity “natural?” if it is, being “homophobic” is just as natural, and people will NEVER be able to change the revulsion and distraction it causes.

as to your question- if heterosexuality was a sexual deviation, then absolutely. but since heterosexuality causes no problems among comrades in arms, no.

the very simple, and classical, test for whether something is a “problem”- does it cause a problem? if yes, then it’s a problem. doesn’t matter if we’re talking about heterosexual sexual harassment, open homosexuality, drug use, hazing, various peer-pressures… whatever. if it causes a disruption in unit cohesion, it goes.

this isn’t about “fair.” “fair” and “warfare” sound similar, but have absolutely nothing to do with each other.

Read again…

[QUOTE=bkb0000;560924] i’m morally opposed to homosexual activity
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While I respect opposing beliefs, I find it ironic to be morally opposed to homosexuality, while in a war zone where you’re trying to kill people.

My bad…I thought we were discussing allowing homosexuals to openly serve in the military. I guess it’s okay to let convicted felons, drug offender, etc. serve our country. :smiley:

Seriously though, it is interesting how close the M4C and Fox News polls are to each other. However, the CNN poll is completely opposite.

if you think war is necessarily “immoral,” then, by your code, we have no business engaging in it to begin with.

I am for this;) we can send them in first. We drop them in, then we drop them their weapons and see if they can help soften a target for those who have not committed a crime:D On a more serious note, just because someone has made some bad decisions, does not make them evil or useless. This of course depends on the individual and the crime. I have met some that made their mistake and are past it and wont do it again and I have met some that should never have been let out, and were not out long.

All of these “types” of people are currently serving in the U.S. Military, if you don’t think so you’re the delusional one.

I’m good with “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”.
I do think that the members of the military should vote on it really.
They’re the ones that have to deal with it.
People that have never been in the military don’t deserve a vote on it and those that are out of the military don’t need to worry about it one way or the other.

I was hoping to make a point that we discriminate all the time in the military. There is no “Right” to serve in the military. We do so for good reason. But I’m sure you already understand that.

He said: “homosexual activity”, not “homosexuality”

And what is immoral about killing the enemy in a warzone?

Keep the policy: don’t use the military for social engineering. It’s bad social policy and incredibly short sighted to use the military to try and force change on society’s mores and customs. That is not what the military is there for; they do not exist to promote the trends or fads that some segments of society want to promote. As someone suggested above, take a survey or vote among current and former military folks, and let them decide on the policy which, after all, they will be stuck having to live with.