Diversified Machine was raided and all computers and inventory seized. I noticed that QuietBore changed it’s marketing and business practices with little comment in November. Now they require an approved Form 1 prior to shipping. I don’t know where that puts customers sitting on untouched QuietBore or Diversified Machine parts who have already paid their $200 tax and have pending Form 1’s in the system.
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Seen that.
I heard that others got raided, that is why they turned to the F1 route. Never seen anything official.
I wonder if I will be contacted?? Wonder if they will bother cross checking name first??
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Let me guess? They were 100% in compliance with “the law”…and got raided anyway. Hmm…Is there a word for that?.. Tyranny, maybe?
Yup
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They are doing “warm-up” sets with 135lb before sliding on a few more plates and going heavy, the main workout.
There are clouds ahead my friends. Gray, stormy, rainy clouds. China Joe and the 'Ho aren’t even [fraudulently] in office yet but still they’re “flexing”.
I must say the Left is getting ballsy, more so than in the past. Like now that they know they can effectively steal elections on a grand scale, especially with apparent judicial cooperation, and maintain power indefinitely the cards are all openly laid out on the table.
Of course they have a “mandate” as usual. :rolleyes:
And when Joe gets his US Attorneys in place… Full auto airsoft won’t be safe…
THIS is the main problem. They’ve lost in the past due to the unpopularity of gun control that bled off dem votes. Now if the whole election process is a complete farce, there’s zero accountability.
Trump picked Barr. Barr picked Lombardo.
Bump stocks, arm braces, raids… Trump administration paving a gun-grabbing path for a Biden administration. Infuriating as it is worrisome.
From what I’ve seen so far, I’d have to agree; this is just a few warmup sets for the true idiocy to come.
If the election is overturned, nobody will be that mad at them because this is all ‘fringe’ stuff like bumpstocks were. The 2A community will quickly forget and move on.
If the election holds, they’ve done their ‘warmup reps’ and will have some precedent set to start reclassifying anything everything, then doing high-publicity “raids” on normal, complying businesses to scare everyone else into compliance.
The ATF did this to another dealer here in Prescott, AZ. I was trying to do a kit from them, but they shut that piece of their business down. They still operate, but the can kits are no more.
We then did the Titanium kit from Superprecision on a Form 1. I don’t understand how they’re picking and choosing to to shut down.
Of all the times I’ve been to Prescott, I’ve only stopped in at J & G Sales. I need to expand my gun store visits in Yavapai County. Last time there, the newer Prescott Valley has turned into a huge expansive community. Never thought it would get that big. When I was a college student at the U of A, went on a back-country horseback trip to Tip Top, which I guess you could call a ghost town but more of ghost mines. Rugged country.
Here are a couple of statements from folks I have found to be reliable, level headed guys. One is a Fed:
No surprise. This has been happening at other “form 1 suppressor kit” makers since 2019.
Given the statutory definition of what constitutes a “silencer” under 18 USC 921 (24) the whole idea of having even an “80%”. Suppressor parts kit without having a form 1 first is super gray / shaky.
(24) The terms “firearm silencer” and “firearm muffler” mean any device for silencing, muffling, or diminishing the report of a portable firearm, including any combination of parts, designed or redesigned, and intended for use in assembling or fabricating a firearm silencer or firearm muffler, and any part intended only for use in such assembly or fabrication.
As you can see the definition of a silencer in terms of “any combination of parts” is much broader than with firearms.
Second Guy:
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The P80 BBS kit was a newer product to the market, and it sounds like the BATFE had been gathering info on those kits (criminal uses and recoveries, build times and tools needed) since well prior to the election.
SB Tactical was an “any day now” situation. The 2018 BATFE letter notified SB Tactical that almost all of their products were being marketed and marked as “ATF Compliant” with no review or determination by the NFA branch/FATD that those products were compliant. I’ve heard statements from SB Tactical refuting that letter but I have seen no documentation released.
The scuttlebutt regarding DM was that the baffle parts were coming pre-center-punched or dimpled for drilling, which is a no-go for having anything firearms-related deemed “unmanufactured.” I’ve seen nothing that confirms that rumor. Might have been an issue with the kit being to close to “complete.”
Regardless of our feelings in the laws in question, it’s kind of a stretch for us to assume that a bureaucratic agency with different field offices and regional teams, as part of a larger bureaucratic department and in coordination with different state agencies and local task forces, would (or even could) plan these separate actions in short order as a response to an election.[/i]
Third Guy:
The guidance we received from the ATF regarding all those wish.com and Amazon.com “fuel filter” and “solvent trap” kits was that if the baffles, or whatever term the seller used for them, were marked where they needed to be drilled out, then the thing was legally a suppressor already.
I have a relationship with one of the raided businesses.
They “earned” the ATF attention courtesy drug dealer who had a booming business branching out into home manufacturing of unlicensed silencers. That fellow warranted attention from the DEA, who then shared the intel with ATF. ATF made a visit while building the case on the dealer. Nothing they did wrong other than being in business, no charges filed except against the bad guy.
The other element I think in play is the China connection. Huge amount of cheap Chinese fuel filter kits are coming in, some tagged by CBP but likely most have made it through. For the last two years of the Trump Administration, anything China has been catnip for the Dept. of Justice. The last year the hammer really came down with AG Barr authorizing the closure of the Houston Chinese Consulate and the widescale filing of charges against academics, Chinese and American, who were especially flaunting of the espionage rules. Most of the glamor arrests are FBI, but HSI and ATF want to get some action too.
In other words, guys buying $30 Chinese kits and selling for $150 for a fast buck are easy ATF targets to squeeze. We all got bosses and we all got metrics. There might be some leaning forward into the Biden Administration (of course), but the actual story is more nuanced from my viewpoint.
Therein lies the problem with the ATF. The never ending ex-post facto style reinterpretation of existing laws. If the ATF considers any type of dimpling on a part or “Form 1 kit” to be a suppressor then why is ATF telling manufacturers that have been “brought back into compliance” that they can transfer these kits with an approved form 1? If the kit is already considered a suppressor in the eyes of the ATF then why is ATF telling manufacturers it is lawful to ship with an approved form 1 instead of a form 4?
With ATF’s track record of bi-polar interpretation we must assume that in the near future people that followed the law (As it stands on this day) in building a form 1 suppressor will have a federal agent knocking on their door with threat of imprisonment because ATF now decrees their form 1 kit was a suppressor before it was shipped to the end user and thus should have transferred on a form 4.