Anyone know which caliber they currently use?
These are for Customs and Border Protection, Field Operations and Border Patrol. They Shoot .40S&W.
They’ve had the P2000 LEMs for at least a year now maybe longer, they must be buying more.
Are they transitioning away from the Sigs?
Customs and Border Protection does not carry the SIG, never had. Back when DHS was created they divided up the pistol contracts between SIG for ICE, Secret Service, FAMS, and the little agencies that fell under the ICE umbrella, CBP components, Office of Field Operations (ports and airports), Border Patrol (between ports), and Air and Marine got the HK’s. CBP is staying with the HK’s and is buying more. The other DHS components can only wait and hope for something else for now.
Does that mean that they’re not happy with the SIGs?
No. Not happy at all at the field level.
Why, what are the complaints?
I’m not in any DHS element, but, I can venture a guess. A lot of “legacy Customs” agents were previously carrying G19s. The transition to the P229R DAK gave them a much heavier pistol with lower capacity, and a trigger that’s not easy to work well at speed, especially if you’re used to a Glock trigger.
We transitioned from P228s (M11s) to the same DAK-equipped P229R in .40, and the overall reception has been lukewarm at best. Anyone who’s a real “shooter” finds that the trigger weight and length of reset is a dramatic step backwards from the DA/SA trigger of the M11. The P229Rs are significantly heavier than the M11s, and, with the high bore axis that’s part and parcel of any Sig “classic” design, muzzle flip with the .40 is fairly drastic.
Luckily, we have a pretty lenient personal weapons policy, so, anyone who’s a real “gun” person can carry just about anything they want in 9mm or .40…
Regards,
Kevin
Many Agents don’t like the LEM trigger required on our P2000s. I don’t find it that horrible personally. I enjoy the pistol itself because of where the controls are located. The magazine release location and its press down style make it convenient for people of all hand types in my opinion. I know it makes it a lot easier for me with smaller hands versus a traditional button style release located on the frame.
Some Agents for whatever reason also have USP Compacts which takes the same magazine. They are allowed to qual with and carry both.
Most of our P229R’s are prone to lots of quality control issues. At the academy, 12 of 25 of my classmates’ Sigs had either a broken FP, broken trigger springs, front sights fell off and bad recoil springs. Mine had a loose front sight. After about a year, mine would not go into battery after every shot and had a the recoil spring replaced. A week after that, I noticed the barrel was cracked when cleaning it. The handgun was replaced for a new one and I had no other problems with it other than the terrible DAK trigger. Many of my coworkers have similar problems with the recoil spring and since my life depends on my handgun, I bought a HK P2000 with my own $$ which I can carry on duty. I no longer have to worry about a faulty gun and the LEM trigger is much better. Quite a few others have bought their own USPc or P2000 for the same reason. Even out BUG 239’s jam quite a bit as they need to be run real wet. Those who have been issued the 239 have turned them in and bought a G26 or J frame S&W with their own $$, myself included. I hear the same storied from other agents throughout the country so it’s not just isolated. I’ll never buy a Sig and never reccomend them but I think the QC problems are due to them throwing together these DHS contract guns without inspecting them.
It’s good (or not good really) to hear real complaints about those who are issued them. Although our P2000s aren’t well liked for whatever reason by some, no one really has had major issues with them such as parts breaking, etc. that I know of. Our work environment as BP is also a lot rougher than nearly all other federal LE agencies, and they aren’t cleaned as often as they should be (mine incuded admittedly).
Frankly, I am shocked to hear this about SIG, I always thought they were among the top names in pistols in all aspects. I owned a P226R as a personal fun gun before and it was definitely well built. Granted, I haven’t fired it as much as the duty pistol because it was a fun gun…
Wow. I use to shoot sigs all the time, I guess I’m not getting rid of my older sigs now. They run well.
I would carry the CS-1 if I was in CBP and they would let me.
Is that the stainless S&W revolver? If so I’ve seen one and they’re nice, simple and they work!
3" 686. Very desirable…
Do you work for ICE-OI??? I did not think the P2000 was authorized. I know the P2000SK is as a BUG/secondary. Frankly, I want my Glock 19 back.
That is what I was asking. thanks for the answer
What am I doing wrong? I have shot thousands of rounds through my 226, 228,229 and 239 and have not have one malfunction or part break. Did I just happen to get the Sig’s that work well and are problem free? I like Sigs so much and since mine have been problem free, I went out and bought another one. You guys are making me worry,lol.
No, ICE DRO. And I, too miss the G19. They took that option away from us about a year after I came aboard. I’ll take a 9mm Glock over any other weapons we’re allowed to carry anyday.