Democrats Support Homosexual Marriage

[b]Democrats Issue 2008 Gay PRIDE Proclamation Supporting Homosexual Marriage

Democrat National Committee
June 3, 2008[/b]

Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean today joined Massachusetts Democratic Representative Barney Frank and Wisconsin Democratic Representative Tammy Baldwin in issuing the following Proclamation marking PRIDE Month:

"Today, on behalf of Democrats across America, we join together in celebrating the contributions that lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender Americans and their families make to our society and reaffirm our Party’s commitment to promoting full equality under the law for every American.

"As leaders of the Democratic Party, we stand proudly with the LGBT community and commit ourselves to working together to build an America that is truly inclusive. Every American has the right to live in dignity, with equal rights, responsibilities and protections under the law.

These are our country’s and our Party’s core values. Across the country, at every level of government, Democrats have championed sweeping protections in the areas of employment, housing, domestic partnerships and civil unions, adoption, gender identity or expression, and hate crimes.

"Despite all we have accomplished, our work is not done. We need to fight efforts to write discrimination into our laws and constitutions.(This statement is in reference to H.J. RES. 89, the Marriage Protection Amendment, which makes marriage legal only between a man and a woman. The Democratic Party opposes the Marriage Protection Amendment because they believe it is discriminatory against homosexuals.)

We need to pass the Employment Non-Discrimination Act, pass the Matthew Shepard Hate Crimes Act, and repeal ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell.’ We need a comprehensive, science-based strategy for combating HIV/AIDS. We must address the socioeconomic problems, including poverty and limited access to health care, that increase vulnerability to this disease.

“To do all of these things we need to put a Democrat in the White House, expand our majorities in Congress, and elect more Democrats at the local and state level across the country. To do that, we need you. Get active, get involved, and join us so we can take our country back.”

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So do I.

Wow…

The fact that so many people in this so called “land of the free” are so rabidly against same sex marriage is a mystery to me. I have heard the argument that it somehow damages the “sanctity” of marriage, but this seems absolutely ridiculous. Perhaps somebody would like to explain to me how their marriage to their wife is made less meaningful by the fact that two men or two women are allowed to become married.

If your relationship with your wife is that fragile, you have bigger problems. :rolleyes:

I understand that most conservatives don’t feel comfortable with the concept of homosexuality, and don’t want to be around it. I don’t especially like to think of it either, but to each his own.

Most Liberals don’t feel comfortable knowing that people carry guns, and don’t want to be around it, does this make it ok for them to put a ban on it?

Marriage is a religious institution, so far as I’m concerned this is one reason why we don’t have an established religion. If a church wishes to “marry” homosexuals, it has the right to do so. The problem than becomes the legal status of property, inheritance etc. Outside of taxation government has no right to interfere in the right of two competent individuals who wish to enter a legal contract and dispose of their property as they see fit.

Call it “civil unions” or even the “hokey pokey” for that matter, people are free to enter into whatever binding legal contract they wish.

All in all, this is exactly the problem that federalism was designed to address too bad liberals undermined the very system that could have achieved this, in short both sides would rather have this as an political “issue” than any real resolution.

Absolutely. Thats the beauty of our founding fathers vision. You don’t have to like anything someone does, but just because you don’t like something doesn’t mean there needs to be laws against it and thats exactly whats been going on lately. Thats my main problem with our systems modus operandi lately, they superficially people please our overly namby pamby society. Here locally, some schools have had to cover the entire playground with giant A frame tarps so kids are not exposed to sunlight. Our society has become so afraid of reality and wanting to shield themselves from it that it has weakened our connection to what freedom really is.

My problem with it is it’s morally wrong. This country is becoming less and less moral and it’s going to be the source of our destruction. This country has been blessed because we’ve generally been a moral god fearing society as we gradually move away from that, things are going to get bad.

Sex without love (and eventually, marriage) is morally wrong. But it happens. Gays would still be gay without marriage.

Marriage is about Love, and I just don’t see how love can ever be “morally wrong”.

Do you really think God prefers this country over all the others? I was always under the impression God is apolitical and all the Cotton Mather rhetoric of a city on the hill is demonstrably flawed. God has no interest in the affairs and politics of men.

Politically we have been blessed because we have had men who put their nation above their own interest. If we’re becoming less moral it’s because we are putting our interests above our nation. Homosexual marriage is not the cause of this.

Theologically God does not distinguish between sins and sinners. We are all sinners, and incapable of his love without forgiveness. That there are those that believe themselves to be more “moral” or “Godly” than others is the sin of pride.

Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone.

Thats completely subjective. This country is about freedom. To live free of persecution and from tyranny. Morals are quite different from culture to culture. God fearing! are you kidding, Freedom of religion. You can choose to believe whatever you like as everyone else also has that right. Thats what freedom is. You don’t have to like it or anything else but people have or should have the right. How does two guys or girls getting married hurt you in any way? Or how is it morally wrong for that matter?

Most folks who retch at the thought of gay sex/relationships etc. are really making an aesthetic judgement (“ew, that $hit is nasty”) as opposed to being morally offended.

Apart from Scripture, I’m not really sure there is sound moral argument against homosexuality.

Which is alright, cuz lesbians are cool (well, at least non-butch types lol). :smiley:

Having said that, marriage is traditionally defined as a contract between a man and a woman, and it should stay that way. I’m okay with “civil unions,” but “gay marriage” is like tring to redefine the color blue.

Folks will cry the “separate but equal” foul re: civil unions… but the reality is … civil unions ain’t equal to marriage.

Sheeeit … I’m gonna go paint my M-4 pink now.

Marriage as a religious institution should be out of reach of government’s power to define, codify or regulate. That’s a slippery slope I don’t wish to go down.

Civil unions if that’s what they’re to be called, should contain all the legal protections (and consequences) of marriage.

I’d be more sympathetic with those that view “marriage” as a religious institution, if divorce wasn’t so prevalent especially amongst protestants. The harm the latter has caused to society, makes the potential harm of gay marriage look like kindergarten.

As a fourth generation child of divorce (yep, my family’s flawed) such societal degeneration has existed since we were ostensibly a “moral” nation and I can testify first hand to the damage it causes. I fail to see how a gay couple that sincerely loved each other and put each other’s needs ahead of the others could cause as much spiritual or societal damage as divorce.

correct, marriage in the “eyes of God” and a Civil union are two different things and it is up to the church to decide wether same sex marriage under the “eyes of God” is allowed or not, but a civil union is a matter of state and should allow any two people who wish to be legally married do so. There should be a seperation of state and religion if not we would be like Iran.

I don’t see any reason for government to be involved in marriage to begin with, it is strictly a religious/personal affair.

Love is free, so feel free to go and love whomever you wish

That isn’t the same as Gov’t sanctioning the perversions and sexual whimsies of consenting adults

Homosexuality is elective and bereft of a biological imperative. As human beings, people who engage in same sex relationships are afforded a base level of respect and recognition. At the same time, don’t piss down my back and tell me its raining.

Just because so many are flippant with matrimonial obligations doesn’t change the sanctity of marriage. It remains the most important bond and set of vows anyone can take part in. It is to be taken as serious as it is.

Gay marriage by default has zero religious connotations from a Judeo-Christian perspective. It can only be a civil union on its best day. Just because Gov’t decided to become part of the marriage business, doesn’t change the definition of what marriage is.

Why aren’t “civil unions” enough for the gay lobby? Because when you control language, you control thought. Gay marriage is an oxymoron and an example of leftist/liberal Newspeak in the 21st century. Overwhelmingly, marriage equates to that which is good, traditional, morally sound and righteous. By fusing “Gay” and “Marriage” you essentially rearrange thought.

It’s the same reason we use the term “abortion” instead of infanticide, homicide and murder.

I think this is a touchy subject for all involved. Politically speaking, I think crowing too loudly about it will only hurt the Democratic party. People who consider gay rights a major issue are probably already voting Democrat. But there are a great deal many “southern” type conservative Democrats who this will only further alienate and push away (i.e., Oklahoma is often Democrat on the local level, and Republican on the national level because of things like this). So I think a bold statement like this will result in a net loss of votes not gain.

On the other hand, and I guess this is a different topic, I think the reality is that people would sell their soul and all their beliefs out the window if the presidential candidate tells them he’s going to help their pocketbook out. Too many would let Obama come personally have gay sex with them if he told them he was going to give them some free money back to pay for high gas, and give them “free” health care. Sellout shitbags of the highest order, the lot of ‘em, but I digress…May they be kept free by the diligence of better men than themselves.

Anyway, on the gay marriage issue, I think this is a tough one. Don’t get me wrong - I’m firmly against gay marriage. I believe homosexuality is sinful and wrong, and that those who live that lifestyle will someday answer to God for their choices. But guess what? So will I and everyone else. We all live lives fraught with sinfulness and only by God’s grace are we saved, not our own virtue. People don’t go to hell for being gay, they go to hell because they don’t know Jesus Christ as their Savior. Now…since my views on the homosexuality are based primarily on my religious beliefs, I understand how those who don’t share my belief set aren’t going to buy what I’m selling. From a Christian viewpoint (Missionary Baptist/Southern Baptist background for me) I believe it’s our task to evangelize and witness to all folks, gays included, and when they develop a relationship with the Lord, He will deal with their lifestyle choices (and perhaps He’ll use our example). In the meantime, spreading hate won’t help spread Christianity any more than blowing up the WTC helped to spread Islam. We’re fighting a war of survival with a religion who wants to spread it’s law by the sword, and then try to spread our belief by the legislation? Souls are not won in the halls of Congress. I think that legislating morality by the right is the same helpless plea as legislating safety by the left. Rather than face the real problem – ourselves, our actions, our responsibilities to do right – people want to legislate whatever their problems are out of existence. Sound familiar? A lot like feel-good nonsense of gun control, I think. There are a lot of parallels there. I’m sympathetic to the frustration homosexuals may feel if they are told outright that what they’re doing is wrong and there should be a law against it. As gun owners, we’re told that all the time.

Now on the flipside of that, I may be fairly tolerant of people’s private lifestyle choices, but I do try to go out of my way to not support gay rights issues and their supporters, and be vocal with my beliefs, and my money, when possible. And just as we as gun owners have a duty to be responsible with our guns, I think gay people need to just chill, be gay, and understand that generally, the only time society really lashes out against them, is when it’s shoved in our faces and flaunted. If gun owners got decked out in gear, loaded up a bunch of NFA weaponry, and paraded through the streets shooting our guns in the air, and called it a gun-pride parade, people would treat us like crap, too, and rightfully so. I do not want to see gay rights promoted in schools as “right” or “okay” – that’s for a parent to teach their children, and the children can then make their own choices on the matter as they grow up. A schools responsibility would only be to provide a productive learning environment for everyone regardless of beliefs (beliefs that come from the home and the family, not from the curriculum).

Furthermore, I believe marriage is a religious institution. Not necessarily just Christian, but generally it involves some sort of religious meaning. The government’s recognition of marriage as a legally binding contract is interesting. If gay people want to pair up and legally bind themselves to each other, I may not like it, but I can tolerate it. They have every right to pursue happiness as they see it, so long as it doesn’t interfere with that of others. Maybe that means a “civil union” is acceptable to me. I don’t know what the right answer is. I do have trouble with the idea of preventing these people from seeking happiness in their personal lives. But what I don’t want to see is a governmental blessing of gay marriage. If gays are allowed to form legal contracts equivalent to marriage, there needs to be explicit protection for religious institutions that would refuse to perform or recognize the ceremony.

I think it is, and should be a stalemate – neither side should force their beliefs on the other. I choose a belief system that tells me homosexuality is wrong. Fine, I’ll believe that, and act accordingly so long as I don’t cross into forcing it on others. Gays can choose a belief system where’s is perfectly great – fine, go ahead, just do your thing and don’t force it me either.

Democrats Issue 2008 Gay PRIDE Proclamation Supporting Homosexual Marriage

Good, this is a non issue… In my America, you know “the land of the free”, gay people have the same rights as everyone else.

-Peter

Homosexuality is elective and bereft of a biological imperative.

Do you have some evidence for this? There are known instances of homosexuality in natural biology (the gay sheep thing at Oregon State/OHSU was fairly controversial, but pretty good science). But I asked my wife (PhD in Molecular Biology and Genetics currently working as a genetic engineer). She said that most of the scientific evidence DOES point to biology. That’s one of those science things.

Not to be snarky, but I assume you have credentialed backup for that statement?

As for the government/moral thing: Why do people actually care so much? Government: Gays just want equal protection under the law. Moral: Why do you care so much? OK, so in your eyes, they go to hell. You’re good to go though.

Wow,

You sure are sure you know whats what in the world…

Except, the only “threat” Gay marriage poses to marriage is in your mind. People that love each other should all have the same rights. Gay is not catching, if you’re not gay today you are not going to wake up gay tomorrow.

Except, the Christian ethos is supposed to be one of love and understanding, not judgment. (Judgment is supposed to be Gods, not humans)

Except, Your use of the words “murder” and “infanticide” and earlier “Perversions” is the same form of language manipulation you’re trying to assign to those that want gay marriage.

-Peter

So, do you guys also support homosexuals (openly) serving in the military? How about sharing the showing, tents, and foxholes with them? (We’ll leave morality out of the question…)

Yes I do.