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So what was the original problem with the tap?
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What a nightmare.
So why is it illegal for you to have it?
TAP is the ONLY ammo I use for my HD carbines.
I shoot about 300 through both my M4 and SBR…I have never had a problem aquiring this “Forbidden” ammo.
Thats ridiculous for him to talk to you like that, “Are you LEO?”
I would have said “No Im the CONSUMER!”
The claimed velocity is from a 24" barrel so it’s inherently going to be faster looking at other claims on a SBR on 11" he was getting around 2300 fps. But I agree that their customer service was piss poor. Hope u at least get something back
Im not understanding why he said its illegal?
Its not exactly like the hype of Black Talons, not sure why THOSE were illegal either.
I have been buying TAP for over a year now
The load he is referring to is a 5.56 load (product no. 8126N). Hornady will not generally sell this to the public because it is loaded to 5.56 specifications and they don’t want the liability of morons blowing up their .223 crap guns with it.
When I bought mine from Hornady I had to sign a disclaimer.
That is my understanding and that’s why you cannot find it.
Black Talon was never illegal and in fact the Winchester Ranger SXT line (IIRC) is the same or similar without the “evil” black coating. It was sensationalized by the media and Winchester pulled it due to PR concerns.
My SBR (11.5" and 12.5") were averaging around 2550 FPS when we checked the load last weekend.
That is not correct. If you read the Hornady Test Report the 5.56 TAP T2 loading was tested with a 14.5", 16" and 20 inch barrels.
Pages 35-38-ish.
What is the part number? What is the lot number?
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Did he actually say it was “illegal” for you to have the ammunition or were you paraphrasing what he said?
Hornady’s corporate policy has absolutley nothing to do with criminal code.
I’m losing faith in Hornady more and more.
This is not the first time I have heard of this.
Locally its a pain to source any type of HST ammo that says “LE” on it. I have had a few places ask me for LEO ID when I wanted to buy it. No issue since that is my duty ammo, but I am surprised why they would do this and to my best knowledge this cannot be law, but a company policy which they enforce…to a point.
In my opinion its all about liability. They do not want to their 75gr TAP ammo to be used in a crime where a LEO gets killed, or it zips through some sort of hard armor and all of a sudden there is a bill proposed to ban it.
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Right. 5.56 T2 TAP is NOT ILLEGAL, they (Hornady) doesn’t want the mass public to get it for the simple reason that they are afraid people will stick it in a .223 chambered gun and blow it up.
While I fully understand their POV on this subject (and yes, there are countless morons that will do that above), most every manufacturer sell some time of 5.56 ammo so they should get over it.
C4
So you didn’t even have the “good stuff” and they told you that it was illegal?? :rolleyes:
When you talk to the guy at Hornady, advise him of the following:
- When you sell your ammo to EVERY ammo distributor in the US, that means that EVERY gun dealer and their brother has access to it.
- If TAP ammo is in fact restricted (by the factory), then the ammo distributors that they are selling it to are NOT enforcing these policies.
- If they want to control who buys TAP ammo, they need to stop dumping ammo via distributors and control which dealers get it.
C4
I rarely buy Hornady anymore. Their policies on “LE” ammo are retarded. At the police supply store here I can buy every other brand but Hornady red box stuff. Even 308 which will work in any modern 308 gun. Its not just them worrying about 5.56 pressure in 223. I can’t buy anything from their LE line in the red boxes no matter what caliber.
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