I’ve used DD parts in builds in the past, but never owned a DD rifle or lower per se…
The only AR’s I have with the factory trigger are 2 RRA’s with the 2-stage trigger. My others have JP or Geissele’s in them. I’ve got a Colt 6920, and am about to put a Timney 3lb in it…
So, my question…what kind of trigger experience should I expect if I buy a Daniels Defense M4V7, which is the one I’m looking at?
I know I’ll end up changing out the A2 pistol grip and MOE buttstock, but will I be happy with the stock trigger?
DD rifles have a top notch GI trigger. The real question is if a GI trigger meets your needs, because even a top notch one, by design, can be heavy and gritty. You’ll probably hate it in comparison to your RRA factory triggers but then those have been known to fail with pretty low round counts so it’s all give/take.
If you’re accustomed to a 2-stage and the GI doesn’t float your boat, throw a Geissele in like your others and have both a fantastic AND reliable trigger.
I had a Colt 6920. I currently have a DD M4A1 with a standard trigger that is MUCH better than the Colt ever was. I also have an LMT MWS with a Geissele SSA-E that is much better than the DD. For what I will use the DD for (short range (110-120 yards max) tac rifle competition) I’m going to stick with the factory trigger. It doesn’t compare to the Geissele, but it is night and day ahead of the Colt.
Its a GI spec trigger, I’ve seen some close to 5#, others are up in the 8-9# range. If you are worried about it throw a Geissele in it and don’t look back.
Does Gisselle make a mil spec trigger? On my phone so I can’t get to there sight. I would like a improve trigger to see the difference but its a rifle I use for classes and my shtf rifle.
I also was happy with my DD stock trigger on my M4V1 but after switching to the Geissele SSA, SSA-E on my builds, it seems to be the line for me. I think my DD trigger was 6ish, IMO and experience its luck, some are better than others stock. I really enjoy the SSA and other Geissele triggers I have used so depending on the build I would just toss one of them in.
ALG Defense ACT/QMS triggers. Basically tuned USGI triggers that are consistently in the low 6# range. Normal USGI trigger are in spec if they are between 5-9#.
Seems all GI triggers from all manufacturers are going to be hit and miss, and almost all will need a pretty significant break-in period before they start to smooth out, if they ever do, barring a polish job from a qualified smith (which can do wonders).
Just one of those constants, in the industry. Hence the explosion of the aftermarket trigger market.
It’ll be somewhere within the range of milspec triggers. You wouldn’t expect to find it on a custom built F-class rifle but it works well enough for the role it was meant to fill. Only Gieselle triggers seem to offer the same consistent reliability of the milspec one for AR rifles. But I don’t remember being unable to shoot decently when all I had was the stock option.
I know this thread is pretty hashed out, but just got the chance to fire my DDM4v7 today and I don’t have any issue with the trigger. Granted, I don’t have experience with match triggers, but this didn’t feel gritty or excessively heavy. Felt much better than my Walther/HK .22 416, that’s for sure.
I didn’t get a lot of use out of it today, but if I replace it at some point, it will be just because I want to try a precision trigger, not because this one’s causing undue issues.
Has anyone ever had a bad word to say about a Geissele (‘too expensive’ and ‘spoils you for anything else’ excepted)?
I’m not complaining; I’ve got four of them.
It just amazes me that such a basic mechanism as the GI trigger is as bad as it is; it’s not rocket surgery in design, and it would seem polished working surfaces would at least produce a clean break…it’s always the creep and grittiness that has bugged me. How tough could it be for the MFGs to put a clean breaking trigger in initially…are they just selling everything they make so they’re not concerned?
Advertising yourself as ‘the AR with a good trigger’ would seem like a selling point when consumers are making a decision.
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