Looking for advice on which way to go on an ir laser setup. I will be using this in a rural environment for the most part in wooded areas. I will be using gen 3 pvs 14 with this setup. Im considering a used full power dbal a2, new dbal a3 Civie version, or if I should get a civie ir laser only and use a separate light for it illumination. From what I have seen the civie laser Illuminators are pretty weak?
For civvie IR laser illumination the A3 is about as good as it gets (minus any paradigm shifts)
But I’d always go full power if given the opportunity.
Yep.
FWIW I sold my A3 and bought a full power I2. I do miss the visible laser, but not that badly.
Interestingly, I have a friend with an old PEQ-2. Holy crap that thing is powerful.
Today, I would look at the Perst-3 or Perst-2 imported by Ivan Tactical, also available from Black Phase Tactical and some eBay stores.
Or wait for the Brolis M3 from Ireland, they may sell these in full power.
Lastly there are also full power lasers from Canada.
I’m assuming you aren’t mil or le. If you are, then that opens open a whole new world.
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I’m not mil or le so I’m stuck with what I can get. I just don’t know about buying second hand full power units that are not local that I can’t inspect or test before buying.Thats the conundrum.
I have had really good experiences with wills optics. He will take care of you if your unit is messed up (unlikely)
I shoot too much too far to mess with civvie Illuminators anymore. The civvie lasers are fine, but you need an LED illuminator if you don’t have a full power unit to see worth a damn.
The ATPIAL C illuminator is by far the worst piece of garbage i have ever used in the entire world of NV.
The Perst lasers are new Russian models, and the Brolis M3 is new also. Read the Perst review thread on TOS.
I don’t know if you are aware of this or not, but the FDA only regulates US based manufacturers. You can freely buy foreign units new.
I forgot one other option, the DBAL-A4v2.
Supposedly a very small visible signature in a very narrow angle and for a short distance.
Call TNVC and they will knock the price down to a shocking better level than MAP.
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What are these Canadian units?
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Well, it’s between a dbal a2 and the aptial? Opinions?
If you have the money, the MAWL-C1 is suppose to have an amazing illuminator, despite it being just a Class 1 laser; my friend who has used it in FoF at DARC has said that he’s had folks accuse him of white light NDs when he used his MAWL-C1, and that it illuminates better than full power AN/PEQ-15s and DBAL-I2s (not sure how it matches up against the LA-5s, though). I’m told the DBAL-D2’s illuminator, and probably the DBAL-A4, are also that powerful, although they use LEDs and are thus are pretty different in size and visual signature. Outside of that, most of the Class 1 illuminators are suppose to be pretty garbage, including the DBAL-A2, DBAL-A3, and ATPIAL-C.
I have the DBAL-A3 but the Illuminator is trash compared to a full power PEQ-15/16 (which is expected)
If it’s not issued and I had to buy another laser system, it would only be the MAWL.
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Are you referring to the class 1 mawl or the full power version?
Both.
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Newcon Optik is from Canada. You can buy their lasers on New Egg, BHP Photo, eBay, etc…
But they can be expensive. Roughly the same as the telephone price from TNVC for a DBAL-A4v2.
MAWL C1+ reviews are on YouTube and TOS, you should check those out.
Do go check out the reviews of the Perst-3 though. It’s damn impressive.
Also, follow Brolis Laser on Instagram.
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I Checked out the perst 3 and i think it may be the way to go. The specs on it seem to be on par or better with the peq 15 laser and the Illuminator has way more power. Being able to adjust the power level of both on the tape switch should be sweet.
Is the MAWL civilian version better than the PEQ15 Full power RE: illuminators?
Full power if you have the option
New review out from Black Phase Tactical on the Perst-3.
Holy crap, I want one of these. https://youtu.be/NOBLxpYkg6M
is there any other review videos out for the perst 3? He removed that one
He reposted it with more content. I watched it again this morning to see what changed.
He has long range footage now.
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ABSOLUTELY especially in a CQB roll or in a structure. As mentioned its like turning a white light on in a dark room. Very even and smooth IR fill if you choose. What many seem to overlook about the MAWL is the switchology. No goofy bullshit wires or pressure pads to try and figure out where to locate. You have basically 5 on the fly at your finger tips (actually thumb) IR Laser/Illuminator settings and 1 long range IR laser only setting. The depth of the IR illumination acts just like Surefire in that it sees through or past or into if that makes sense.
I find in all honesty the full power PEQ15 laser too bright unless at great distance. The size and brightness of the bloom make it very hard to aim with. Based on the material or target you will in most cases need the illuminator on or additional IR light to knock it back so you can actually ID what the laser is on. The full power lightsaber IR laser does look cool and great in pictures though.
That pressure pad switch on the Perst looks all kind of bad for my personal liking. I dont have the rail space nor do I want to change my grip to go from IR to white light. This along with the overall performance is where the MAWL wins.