You are correct. This has benefits beyond the extra $200 stamp. However, I think they missed the boat by using a 10" barrel vs. an 8" and I’d have opted for a shorter, fatter can. They should’ve released the upper first, as buying a 1 stamp drop on addition to a current 5.56 lower is where this would shine. I do think the price point is a little too high. You could buy a Noveske 8.2" 300BLKfor $2270 (which you could get on a Form 4 rather than a Form 1), and an SDN-6 for $1050, making it $120 more, but with far greater versatility, a couple inches shorter OAL and a great Noveske barrel and Flared Forged Lower.
IF, we get through the current debacle, my intent is still to get the aforementioned 8" Noveske and a Mini7, with an SR-7 down the road for better suppression. I think there are times where a lightly suppressed 300BLK with an OAL of a non-suppresssed 11.5" SBR would be VERY useful.
This effort from Daniel Defense does have promise though.
It’s a great idea for people living in states such as Michigan. We can have suppresors but not SBR’s. It’s stupid I know but if they had one in 556 I would allready being buying it.
Pretty rifle, but I can’t imagine paying that kind of money for it… You could weld and tap a ranger 2 on a DD for less money POST stamp if you need to beat the SBR game…
There is no logical reason for Daniel Defense to release this.
ARs (and directly associated parts) are impossible to find unless a manufacturer or distributor owes you several favors in the first place.
.300BLK has never been produced in bulk numbers high enough to offer a dedicated autoloading rifle in only that specific caliber.
The NFA waiting time is so long right now that the soonest anyone in their “target commercial demographic” gets one in their safe would be some time late 2118.
I feel this will make it onto several people’s “If I Ever Become Ridiculously Rich” gun list three entries down from the .45 Luger… :rolleyes:
From where I’m sitting, I gotta think; DD has been working on this for a WHILE, much longer than the current panic phase has been going on. If they already did all the R&D to bring it to market, why not release it? Its not like the AR market is getting BETTER any time soon. Keep in mind the only thing new & proprietary about the gun is the upper…which would still be legal to sell even if a '94 style AWB were reintroduced.
DD has been producing rifles at a steady rate with non-inflated pricing since the beginning of the panic, and seems to be able to do so for the foreseeable future (notwithstanding the current hold on orders until Jan 22 due to SHOT). I just got one I ordered in late December today If they are releasing a new product, based on my first-hand experience, I’d trust they are able to produce it.
Oh and DD already sells a .300blk chambered rifle and uppers, so I’d bet they are well aware of the market conditions for the round.
You send in the paperwork together and wait the same amount of time anyway really. But AFAIK there are non-SBR states if you are not LE employed so then it certainly would matter.
I think if you want to knock price you compare apples to apples. I remember looking at the BCM Jack thread and people were posting the retail prices to build it instead. I suppose their motivation was to show how “overpriced” it was. Instead they were screwing up the actual prices of the components and incorrectly assuming you could actually acquire the BCM lower and BCG and other parts needed to have a gun.
I only say this because 1. would you be able to clean the baffle stack like DD says you can on theirs? 2. Would the suppressor integrate properly with a 12" DD MFR to fit under and allow the same 16.1 OAL? 3. How well would a, IIRC, 1/2-28 can thread onto a 300BLK barrel? and do you foresee any problems from using .308 projectiles through it???
I may be an idiot, which I am often called, so bare with me. But isn’t an integrelly surpressed rifle a rifle with the barrel being the surpressor? This just sounds like a sbr with a welded surpressor. Isn’t that something different?
It looks to me that the integral component here would be the gas block attachment. With a pistol length gas system, and a 10.3" barrel, the suppressor would enclose a good portion of the barrel back to the gas block. I think the OAL of the suppressor may have been misstated in the article when referring to the additional length of the rifle.
Yes and no. Integral simply means the suppressor is permanently affixed to the barrel. That makes it a one stamp affair instead of two. Many integrally suppressed guns gave bleed ports drilled into the barrel to keep the bullet subsonic. That wouldn’t be necessary on a 300BLK. The supersonic rounds would still be supersonic and the subs don’t require bleed off.
There are some states that allow suppressors but not SBR’s. I live in such a state, MI. That combination isn’t however common so I can see where you are coming from regardless.
.300BLK rounds are not cheap compared to 5.56 and not so readily available (meaning, if there was not a crack-head run on-guns stupidity like right now). Even if you can easily afford this rifle, your stomach will be turning when you run into the ammo availability issue, especially if you plan on shooting at least 200+ rounds per month.
I have a friend who opted for .300BLK and he either scrounges to find decent boxed rounds or reloads his own, more of the latter.
DD may have timed this release wrong or they just wanted to cash into the craze and pulled this thing off of whatever back burner it could have been sitting on before December 14.
I turned it down, it (media day) is a total travesty. I don’t think you are missing anything at all. SHOT needs to figure out what they are doing with media, or people claiming to be media.
If they are releasing a new product, based on my first-hand experience, I’d trust they are able to produce it.