I just watched LAV do the torture test on the Daniel Defense rifle at www.danieldefense.com . Among other things, I was very impressed with the amount of abuse the Aimpoint RDS, DD Aimpoint mount, and the aluminum mag could take and still function.
Dammitboy! :eek:
That was incredible. I was impressed with the T1 as well. That thing got freakin’ destroyed and it still worked:eek:. And all it suffered was a slight zero shift after being dropped by a fucking helicopter?!! I’m sold. I was actually thinking of making my next carbine purchase a DD M4 v3. This just sealed the deal for when I finally get the opportunity.
My guess is any weapon built to standard would pass the test (Colt, BCM, FN, ect…) but I was most impressed with the optic and rails.
I would have like to have seen LAV go to the BUIS when the RDS went down to see how well they held up.
I’d like to see an Oly or DPMS with a cheap RD stand up to the same run…:jester:
I’ve sent the link to few friends.
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He couldn’t use the BUIS. The RDS lens was smashed, obscuring them.
Kinda shows a little problem with the DD Aimpoint mount. If the optic gets smashed like in the video, your back up sights are useless unless you can easily remove the Aimpoint mount.
The DD mount isn’t quick detach. I run a DD Aimpoint mount, but never considered a smashed lens issue.
I also feel that a well built AR such as a Colt or a BCM could have survived just as well. I do not mean to put down the DD product. Quite the opposite. I’d be curious to see how well a DPMS would have faired.
I was amazed at how well the Aimpoint T-1 did. When the gun was dropped onto the gravel and ran over, you could see the gun landing on the Aimpoint. That surprised me that the optic still functioned and that it still had retained it’s zero.
When they were a little liberal with their use of explosive and created a larger blast than anticipated, I was expecting to see gun parts here and there. Amazing… And the optic still retained it’s zero!
I just did the same.
Unbelievable!
Yes, it would have been interesting to see if the BUIS held zero. I also wonder how well rail mounted front sights, flip-ups and fixed ones would have held zero and/or survived the tests . You could see how a QD Aimpoint mount might have been nice to have to be able to use the BUIS when the Aimpoint lost zero " but" would it have survived ?
Congrats to DD! But, is their anything significant to the materials they use & manufacturing of thier rifles as compared to another quality manufacturer that make them tougher? Is it safe to assume that a Colt, Sabre, BCM would score as well?
Great for the DD, but…I think this video just sold a lot of Aimpoints!
Wow.
I use Daniel Defense products but IMHO any top tier rifle/rail setup the same way would probably fare the same. I believe a lot just depends on how the rifle lands as to the damage it suffers. I wonder how a P-Mag or the new Lancer AWM mag would have fared ?
I agree with most of the above responses, as far as I know DD doesnt do anything different than the other “mil-spec” manufacturers like BCM,Colt,LMT,ect… So whats so special about that torture test? Unless they are just showing you how tuff the rails are.
Its a video that is going to impress a segment of the market. Personally, I would like to have seen if the irons were still zeroed as that would have answered questions about the rail.
The weakest points in the system would have been the stock, VFG, and magazine in addition to the Aimpoint. It speaks well of Magpul, Aimpoint, and whoever does the molding for Daniel Defense with their VFG.
It was a pretty impressive test. I think that it is an example of the durability of the AR15 platform (when made correctly) a testament to the strength of Daniel Defense’s rails and Aimpoint’s red dots.
Cameron
The magazine was not a Magpul mag, which was kind of interesting, I thought, since DD supplies Pmags with their rifles when they ship them.
Honestly, I was most amazed by the Aimpoint, than the rifle.
I own a DD.
I agree with others that I would have liked to see the BUS and a PMag put to use, but it was still very impressive IMO. The Aimpoint was just as impressive as the rifle itself.
Its an awesome video, and it makes me feel good that my T-1 has a QD feature.
While there are parts that are what I would consider a torture test, to be honest I was overall wholly unimpressed. Burying a gun in dirt for 30 minutes, or dunking it in water for a short period of time with the muzzle taped up is not torture. Those tests are lame and worthless.
Dropping it 6 feet or onto the road and driving over it is also lame. Shooting it with birdshot, lame.
The only good test was the explosion.
I’m willing to bet that a Marlin lever action could take the same level of abuse.
Some good tests would be to leave the dust cover open and leave it in the desert for a month. Leave it in a muddy bog for a week or two. Shoot it with buckshot (not birdshot which Cheney shot someone with in the face and lived). Explode a pipe bomb next to it with some schrapnel. Drop it from a helicopter onto cement.
That would be a test that would induce failure. That’s my thoughts, overall unimpressed.
You completely failed to understand what they were trying to simulate here.
They even stated so in the beginning of the video.
All of the tests were very real combat possibilities. (Aside from the bird shot, which was intended to simulate shrapnel.)
Buried in a bog for 2 weeks is not.
Leave it in the desert for a month? Water for a week? The point was not to destroy the carbine, we could all to that in 30 seconds bashing it against anything hard, the point was to simulate harsh conditions.
I think you may have sailed past the point on this one.
Cameron