Well it looks like Don’t Ask Don’t Tell is going away. The military is entering new territory here. Makes me wander what my new reality is going to be when the POTUS signs this bill. Hard to say how I feel about this measure. I guess as long as Gays complete the mission they are good to go. Then again if I catch a gay soldier in the act with their partner do I have to turn them in for sodomy? Will this Act change the UCMJ? Are sodomy and adultery going away as prosecutable offenses? If a male can sodomize another male for pleasure, then can a male can have carnal knowledge with a willing married female? Where do you draw the line?
My read is that this will have minimum to no effect on the military.
Because frankly, it was never about allowing all these individuals who choose to live a homosexual lifestyle to serve their country. It was all about drama queening.
It may have been about drama queening but we have to deal with it now. I wonder if a single straight soldier will have to share a barracks room with a gay soldier? This law is opening Pandora’s Box. The young soldiers say it doesn’t matter but they probably lack the experience to make a good judgment on the matter. I guess time will tell.
It kind of saddens me to know that I’ve signed my last enlistment document.
Unless the Army radically turns their shit around, or the Marine Corps starts accepting older PS from other branches, I’m afraid this is about it for me.
I don’t think you get my point. I would bet that the amount of truly gay male soldiers is infinitely small.
Homosexual behavior still violates UCMJ. As does certain hetero behavior.
Thousands and thousands of the flaming gays that you guys are all frightened of are NOT going to suddenly knock down the doors to military recruiters everywhere. They are going to continue to live in their own sub-culture that, obtw, is antithetical to military service.
The non-flaming ones you still won’t know about. Doing away with DADT just takes the target off the .mil’s back.
Dumb question, but… On my last military deployment, I shared a barracks room with female soldiers. There even was a married couple who shared a bed. And probably un-married couples who shared other things.
Don’t recall that causing the heat death of the universe, or spontaneous nuclear fission. In fact, we had one sexually related issue that rose to the level of command attention and that had nothing to do with the shared living quarters.
Am still waiting for the incredibly destructive influence this had on anything that really mattered. And we had particularly shitty leadership, obtw.
The “don’t tell” part of it doesn’t seem like such a big deal. There are plenty of homosexual service members already, and they already know who it’s cool to tell and who not to.
The “don’t ask” part going away… that now means that any service member could be ordered to state their sexual alignment and make it known to whomever. I can see this being used to “out” people in awkward (i.e. homophobic) environments where they’d otherwise never have caused any morale or discipline problems.
This thread raises a good point about sodomy under UCMJ. We all know that male/female hookups happen in the military all the time. There’s already a culture and command structure with some common sense (usually, lol) that can deal with hetero sexual drama.
Just remember that at one time, racially integrated units were forbidden. Integration did not come easily to the military. Many blanket parties were thrown and many careers were sabotaged. I suspect we’re about to see a similar course of events.
I think the major issue, at least from what I’ve seen in civy life, is that being gay goes from being the sin that dare not say its name to the lifestyle that won’t shut up. I think that there are different actors and objectives here.
You have people that want to serve their country and happen to be homosexual. Then you have the activists that sign up for the whole LGBTQIA (Lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, questioning, intersex, and asexual) agenda. The first people are vegetarians, the alphabet crew are vegans. You don’t want to eat meat, most people are going to be respectful of your choice. Vegans are just a pain in the ass since it has gone from a dietary thing to a political statement. Free the butter!!!
That’s been my concern about this whole queer to clear (gay to OK? Looking for something that rhymes) is that you get sold gay Navy SEALs and lesbian Arab translators and what you get is creepy guys in dresses, he/shes in various states of dong-ness and a general state-sanctioned attack on organized religion. You can’t re-gift that crap. It’s like being for civil rights and getting stuck with paying slavery reparations at the same time. You think how bad can it be getting some interior designers and female golfers in the military- and you are stuck with the whole short bus of short curcuited sexuality- that is now a protected class.
I really don’t care. Gay guys are like Cub’s fans to me- I’m not going to join your team, it seems God has thing in for you, and the media loves you. Lesbianism I don’t know what to think of, I need to watch a lot more of it.
As to LGBTQIA, I never know why they leave the two 'P’s off for polygamy and prostitution?
Soldiers don’t care if their room mates are engaged in heterosexual activities. They do care about homosexual activities. Homosexual activities disrupt the good order and discipline of the unit. The only sexual activity more disruptive is leaders engaging in sexual behavior with their subordinates. It all boils down to Good order and discipline of the unit in the end. Any distractions that don’t have anything to do with the mission are not tolerated and have to go. That is why over 60% of the combat arms guys said they didn’t want the repeal.
What was your question and what type of unit were you in on your last trip to the CZ?
You shut your damn mouth! You know its gonna be another series of clickfest Marinenet classes about EO that win be tacked on the the already retarded list of annual “training”. As if a 2 hour long powerpoint class about bbq safety and the “100 days of high risk” summer bullshit wasnt retarded enough.
Part of the reason combat arms are all males is they don’t want relationships getting in the way of the mission or soldiers doing stupid shit to save their BF/GF or whoever it is they “love” in times of danger.
LMAO. Every wednesday spent in a theater learning about why gay jokes are bad, why punching a male friend is now domestic abuse, and why you should never drink around people of the same sex OR opposites sex because now EVERYONE will date rape you. Dont even mention the line of 75 guys at the one working admin computer trying to figure out how to log on to MarineNet and click through 700 pages of gay nonsense…only to find out later that MOL was down that day and none of it posted to your training.
Its nice to know that while our brothers are dying, we will be spending more time abolishing gay jokes than training our troops for combat.
Ha we had two cases of bro-rape in my unit in Germany. Both times the victim was passed out from drinking, and both times it was their room mates. One oral and one anal.
