Is the CZ P-09 essentially a polymer-framed CZ75 or are there significant differences?
The original P07 and P09s were listed as “CZ75 P-07 Duty”.
It’s still internal frame rails, hammer fired, DA/SA. They have the Omega options for Safety instead of DA/SA.
But, yes.
However, the grips have been reported as feeling a little different in regards to profile. Mag options are less available with the P models. The internal moving parts are, to my knowledge, very similar. But it appears to have some variance to the 75s.
It’s an evolution but not just a polymer version. There are polymer versions of the CZ-75 design from CZ if you want one. The P-07/09 has, relative to frame size, more capacity, a different grip shape with slab sides, they all have the Omega trigger (which is optional on the CZ-75), and Sig-style ejection port locking (as used on >90% of handguns) instead of the 1911 or Browning HP-style internal locking lugs on the CZ-75. All the profiles are more square and angular vs. the -75. Slide and barrel are nitride treated on the current versions, while most of the classic CZ models still have painted frame/slide and other metal treatments on the barrel.
CZ-75 mags have an aftermarket which is reasonably priced. P-series does not, so you’re paying $39 or so per mag for CZ factory mags. Maybe this will change someday.
I shoot both. I like the -75 grip shape better, but the P-07 has very soft recoil for its size (mine is a .40).
The internals of the 09/07 polymer series are different from the original metal frame 75 series. They are not interchangeable.
If you want a polymer 75 then the phantom is the way to go. I have the p07, p09 and the phantom. The phantom is lighter than the p09 and uses standard 75 mags so mags can be found cheaper. P09/7 use cz specific mags and are more expensive. I like all three but the phantom is quickly growing on me. They are all cajun gun worked out with internals.
Like others have mention the P09/P07 are a newer design and utilize proprietary magazines.
I will say that the P09 is the softest shooting CZ that I own and that kinda irritates me. I have a Shadow Custom ($1200) and my $450 P09 has less muzzle flip when shooting.
If you are a reloader then understand the P series guns have extremely short throats and it’s a PITA to load 147 grain Bullets short enough.
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I thought the P07 and P10C share the same mags just with slightly different base plates.
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I don’t have a P10 or know much about them. Is there a more reasonably priced magazine option for the P10?
Well the P10 mags are about $35ish. I have tried my 07 and 10 and both look identical and fit. Haven’t shot them with that way yet, was hoping to do it tomorrow.
I can’t remember if the P10C base plate is slightly wider than the P07 grip or slightly narrower but there is a slight difference
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My observations mirror yours - it’s not necessarily the total weight of the pistol that reduces muzzle flip, but weight of slide that makes it softer shooting. I’ve never weighed out slides, but found the P09 and 1911 in 9mm the softest in my hands.
The P10 magazine will fit in the P07 guns, but not vice versa.
That is very interesting. I’ve shot the Shadow, which is a very heavy gun, and the recoil felt very soft. I’ve never shot the 09. I’ve been contemplating getting the SP01 which is roughly the same size as the Shadow. But if the 09 is just as soft shooting, I need to rethink my desire. I’m very familiar and love my 07.
Too me it doesn’t make sense either but I have taken them out several times and I always come back thinking the P09 just handles the recoil better.
I still shoot my shadow in USPSA but that’s only because my P09 is stock and just a fun suppressor host.
If I could do it over again I would get a fully decked out P09 from CGW and be done with it.
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Just tried. Works both ways
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I love the P09, feels like it has the best attributes of a Shadow and a Glock. Fast transitioning, flat shooting, very accurate, very reliable. Much less maintenance intensive than a Shadow, which I find appealing since occasional lube and a pass with a boresnake is my idea of PM. Mine are set up for Carry Optics, direct milled for the DP Pro by Primary Machine.
FWIW, I picked up an 07 back in march and it came with P10c mags. I ordered a few more P10c mags from Brownells and they work great.
Glad it worked. I read otherwise, I guess they’re wrong.
I just tried at home. Tomorrow I’ll take both to the range to confirm
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Newer production p-07’s ship with the magazines that are compatible with both. Older P-07’s don’t have the slot cut out for the p10c.
Ahh, that explains it. I have the “gen 1” 07 Duty.