Can anyone advise what the course of fire is for the BSA drill?
3 of us who took a recent course were talking and realized all three of us had slightly different recollections of the exact course of fire for this drill.
Thanks!
Can anyone advise what the course of fire is for the BSA drill?
3 of us who took a recent course were talking and realized all three of us had slightly different recollections of the exact course of fire for this drill.
Thanks!
Balance of Speed & Accuracy (BSA Drill/Qual)
100 rds total fired from Rifle, all rds fired into the torso (10in circle) on target the first time we do this in a class we cut out the circle completly so that other shooters cant look up and down the line and see who has the tight little groups. This theory pushes each shooter to their individual failure point and when they miss they (or hit paper) they know they have reached it.
This Drill was designed by MD instructors to help shooters continue to climb the ladder of excellence. No matter what level we are at be it: beginner, novice, SPECOPs, CIA Ground Branch 007, Grand Master, badass etc… we always have the ability to excel. (this will be seen in AOTTC II)
Example #1: If you are a beginner shooter and your fundementals are good and consistant but are getting a 40% hit rate on the BSA and barely making the times then you have reached your failure point and the direction of traingin is obvious.
EXample #2: IF You are an “Advance Shooter” and you are getting your hits in 1.5 sec and you are meeting the time and you are getting tight little groups then you are NOT reaching your failure point and can become even faster.
It was also designed to get 100% if the perfect balance of speed and accuracy were found and the core principles of Efficency, Consistancy, & Reality were executed.
5yrd line
Dynamic Stance
Time: 2 sec par on shot clock
total rds: 20
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10yrd line
Dynamic Stance
Time: 2 sec par on shot clock
total rds: 20
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15yrd line
Dynamic Stance
Time: 2 sec par on shot clock
total rds: 20
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25yrd line
Dynamic Stance
Time: 2 sec par on shot clock
total rds: 10
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50yrd line
Dynamic Stance
Time: 2 sec par on shot clock
total rds: 10
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75yrd line
on Beep go from standing to Dynamic Kneeling fire 2 shots
Time: 4 sec par on shot clock
total rds: 10
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100yrd line
On Beep go from standing to Dynamic Prone then fire 2 shots.
Time: 4 sec par on shot clock
total rds: 10
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Thank you sir!
Excellent drill, thank you for posting it Travis.
Sticky?
Travis, sorry to necropost here, but I was wondering why you chose a 10" circle. Why not 8", or 12"? Good drill btw.
Excellent Drill, I plan on introducing it to my guys next training day at the range. It will be interesting to see how they handle it.
I will take a stab at it.
If you can “suck through” that circle you will land most of your shots in the upper torso area which in turn yeilds a positive effect on target and “100% combat effectiveness”.
Its not necessarily about the size of the circle since even shots that landed outside of it are still considered to have a positive effect on the target.
Although shots only count that are inside the circle for the drill, its designed to get the shooter in that vital area of the torso while under stress at various distances and in various positions.
That was my second guess, some sort of vital region in the human body. I didn’t pay attention in school, so I am not sure about that. My first thought was it was just an IDPA target with the center cut out, but they are 8" in diameter, so who knows. Well, Travis does, and probably Chris…just saying. ![]()
normal paper plate diameter
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A very humbling drill to say the least. I went out last night after work and ran thru the first three sections (5/10/15 yards) before I lost the sun. With a new piece of hardware (TR24R). Five and 10 yards was ok, but started to seriously drop shots at 15 yards. I think I’ll need some more time with this new optic. I was noticibly rushing shots (timer) as I moved it out to 10 and 15. Can’t explain why other than I’m just not used to this optic and I was not focused as well as I should have been.
Thanks for posting this drill. Now to drill the crap outta this before April rolls around!
Wouldn’t that be funny if that was all it was. Ha!
Its tough to beat those times and stay in the BSA with any magnified optic… even powered down. Not to say it cant be done, but you will cut times in half and increase accuracy with a Zero Mag Zero Parrallax type of optic. Another misconseption if that shooters think they will be faster at the 100 with X-optics but it is actually harder to aquire.
A good failure point reference (making the time) being new to this drill should be in the 12-16 miss range. Even the MD crew will never run it clean so we can learn from pushing our failure points everytime.
As long as you can account for your misses and “WHY” you missed in the short time given, then you will really start excel.
Thanks Mr. Haley, for the tip. I may have to go back out and run it with the EoTech. I’ve been running that for a few years now and this was only the second session with the TR24R. If it goes well, perhaps I’ll stick with the EoTech on the AR and throw that TR24R on the FAL.
For the most part, after I got thru the main portion of the 5/10/15 yard drills, I really focused on slowing down those shots instead of rushing them. Kept missing the par time by 0.05-0.20, but it tightened them up quite a bit.
(I also made an assumption that Dynamic Stance was something akin to low ready/safety on. Hopefully it’s not something more relaxed than that as I may have even more trouble hehehe.:D)
Travis, did you forget about me?
I was wondering why you opted with a 10" circle. Please tell…
I’m gonna give this thread a little bump back to life. Regarding the BSA drill, if shot with say a handgun how does it change if any, and I’m assuming that shooting it with a shotgun the format would not change from that of the carbine? Or is this drill designed specifically around the carbine?
Thanks,
Matt
Disclaimer: This post is just for humor. BSA Drill: Remove BSA optic from rifle. Step two: Proceed to fire upon said BSA junk with said rifle. Step three: Buy some real glass.![]()
Watching the Magpul Carbine 2 video I see the steel targets being engaged at are pretty close range.
Does anyone know what make/model of steel targets those were? Or could recommend a good steel target to be used at those close engagement distances with 5.56 or 7.62x39?
Thanks,
M
There are a quite a few dealers, here is one:
www.actiontarget.com
Magpul may actually be using frangible ammo in those close distance shooting situations, there is quite a bit of dust generated. Even with FMJ, the bullet is going to disintegrate quite a bit and be deflected straight down so I would not worry about a safety issue, the problem is with damage to the target. 500 Hardened steel will pit a little with .223 at 25 yards, more so with 5.56. If you are worried about the pitting go with 550 or 600. Hope that helps, wear eye protection, and safe shooting.
You may be out of luck shooting 7.62 that close, that takes a pretty good chunk out of 500.