Continuing The Discussion On Visual Chamber Checks!

And stop the port side roll… Bad habit that serves no purpose. You will almost always know just by feel if you are out, or have a problem. There is no need to check your chamber after every couple of shots.

Hell, even Costa isn’t doing it anymore…
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=chris%20costa%20video&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CDUQtwIwAw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D58NYDmLxK9I&ei=941kUN29GaPU0gHzuoCQBw&usg=AFQjCNGY6TnWX8Tf1sh8zklkER6XiKqMhw&sig2=o7h9FaIHKvT25ZM6a_GYzg

And BCM, please don’t take this in any other way than it was intended. Not trying to break balls.

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Agree.

C4

But…Travis still says to do it (4:00):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6Ta8t16lrk&playnext=1&list=PL5CF5AD6D9C90C300&feature=results_main

Please don’t take this the wrong way, but I don’t give a rats ass what Travis says to do, or not do. When he is the only guy swimming upstream, I think thats a clue. Its also a clue when Magpul Dynamics has taken it out of their curriculum in a very open and decisive manner.

I partially disagree. Obsessive compulsively checking the chamber isn’t needed. But I’ve been through some good drills that left me not realizing that the bolt had locked back.

And I’ve closed my dust cover on a locked back bolt not realizing it. When I went to shoot again it was a complete WTF scenario.

If I’m at a lull in shooting and am closing my cover, I now ALWAYS look at what I’m closing it on. I might be a little more dust cover intensive than guys in other environments since we shoot in a lot of sand and dust, so… :confused:

I’m not upset…I meant it as more of a tongue in cheek comment…you know, like a, “but, but, __________ says so.”

Training is good, instruction is good, but thinking keeps you alive. Know what you do and why you do it…just like why you have the gear you have.

You don’t count! :stuck_out_tongue: Nobody is saying to never check you chamber, but IMHO it should be done for a reason. Maybe I’m weird, but I feel my bolt lock back and can almost always feel a malfunction…

Much wisdom above.

Now back to your regularly scheduled programming.

At the end of a gun fight, sure look at your chamber. To do it in the MIDDLE is kind of silly I think and keep in mind, you will never be able to do it in the dark.

Closing your dust cover is (again) a retarded thing to do. Sure if you are riding in the back of a Toyota in East Crack-A-Stan (on a dirt goat path), go ahead and do it.

C4

Im partial to it only due to a couple stovepipes in the past that felt just like a last round lock back.

I can feel it everytime, not only that but you can hear it as well.

I have been told a few times to stop it, there is no need, why etc.

When it takes a fraction of a second to check…I dont really see a problem there.

Guys are always backing up their gear and weapons, check, double check…I dont see how it can be a bad thing honestly to clear a chamber before reloading.

I DO appreciate tips and explanations though…no matter who it comes from

Under calm conditions I can feel those things too. In mild fog, it’s amazing what you don’t notice.

Again it’s the environment we shoot in. May not be needed for others, but I get a lot of grit on my ARs. When your gun is laying on the deck and people are walking around kicking dirt everywhere and Pappabear’s 300 win mag brake is kicking up artillery clouds, the shit gets everywhere.

I dont understand why good habits that take almost ZERO effort and time are so frowned upon???

Im in almost the same climate as MarkM, desert and EXTREMELY fine dust gets everywhere.

Yes, this would be a good time to close it. Other than that no as too many people close the dust cover on a malfunction and are totally F*CKED.

C4

Agreed.

Read my reason why below on the dust cover.

Also keep in mind that you cannot see anything in the dark. Since 80% of crime happens at night, you will be wasting time looking into a chamber that you cannot see (when you could be reloading your weapon). :wink:

C4

Again… agreed… and defensive stuff for most of us won’t be going down in a desert enviroment… more likely in the city.

Oh got it. Im not anal about the dust cover, I misread. It gets closed after the drill.

I completely understand the night time chamber check. when we do night shoots its something I dont worry about.

Thanks buddy!

If you’re not actively firing your weapon, and you have the time/opportunity to chamber check or close your dust cover, what’s the drawback to doing so?

That is honestly too much and simply isn’t needed (busy body habit).

I completely understand the night time chamber check. when we do night shoots its something I dont worry about.

Thanks buddy!

Because of this, I would simply remove it from your training.

C4

For many, it becomes an OCD thing where they are constantly doing it (instead of looking around for another threat).

We have to always seperate the square range habits/mentality from real world activity.

C4