Concealed Carry in National Parks

I saw this article and while it tried to remain balanced it was clearly one-sided.

One little part struck me, and then I realized…Glock doesn’t make a .22. You think it’s a missprint? an error? or just made-up?

Behind the Scenes: Debating guns in national parks
Story Highlights
A new proposal would change regulations on guns in national parks

It would allow the parks to adopt the same gun laws as the state they are in

Now the parks operate under U.S. Department of the Interior regulations

Proponents say guns would increase safety, opponents say the opposite is true

By Jill Dougherty
CNN International U.S. Affairs Editor

Editor’s note: In our Behind the Scenes series, CNN correspondents share their experiences in covering news and analyze the stories behind the events.

CHANTILLY, Virginia (CNN) – I’m at the Blue Ridge Arsenal in Chantilly, Virginia, the biggest gun store in northern Virginia. I’m looking at a holster on the hip of Arsenal’s John Summer in which a black .22-caliber Glock pistol sits snugly.

I didn’t notice it before because Summer is wearing a large plaid shirt, not tucked in, covering his navy blue polo shirt.

But he sweeps the big shirt back and tells me, “I’ve been to 7-Eleven, Starbucks – you can go to Applebee’s and have dinner.”

“With a gun?” I ask.

“With a gun,” he says with a nod.

Summer has a permit to carry a concealed weapon, so he can go to dinner with a gun whenever he wants. He can also wear his gun openly almost any place in Virginia. That’s the law.

The next place he may be able to take his loaded, concealed weapon is to a national park. That’s because the U.S. Interior Department is considering a proposal from 51 U.S. senators to change its regulations on guns in national parks.

As the law stands, a person can take a gun – unloaded – into a national park, but it must be packed away or rendered temporarily inoperable.

The country’s 391 national parks, recreation areas, monuments and scenic trails are operated under a single set of regulations by the U.S. Interior Department.

The proposed change would have the parks adopt the gun laws of the state in which they are located. This means a person would be able to take a loaded, concealed weapon into a national park if he or she holds a valid permit to carry a concealed weapon in a given state and as long as they would be allowed to carry a concealed weapon in that state’s parks.

Summer tells me that’s a good idea. In some national parks out west “you could flat out dead sprint for an hour and never see another human being – except maybe a drug dealer,” he says, “in which case he’s probably got a gun.”

Gregory Hylinski, a gun owner from Connecticut visiting a friend, tells me there’s another reason for guns in national parks: “It’s important for people to be able to protect themselves at all times and in all places even from wild animal attacks.”

When Maureen Finnerty hears warning like that she gives an exasperated shrug.

Finnerty and I are walking down a path in the woods not far from her house. She worked for 31 years with the National Park Service, including six years as Associate Director of Park Operations in Washington.

“Right now parks are very safe, they’re very safe places to take your family,” she tells me. “Our crime statistics are very, very low and you put loaded weapons in people’s hands and there’s a tremendous possibility that there will be increased violence.”

Finnerty knows the National Park Service statistics by heart. The latest data, from 2006, shows 272,623,980 people visited the parks that year. There were 11 cases of homicide or manslaughter, 61 robberies and 35 rapes or attempted rapes.

“Now, could something happen? Of course it could happen, but the chances are extremely, extremely remote,” she says.

Finnerty is a member of the Coalition of National Park Service Retirees, which includes a number of former directors. The group is actively lobbying against the change, insisting the current regulations are working.

The proposed change, their Web site says, “could significantly increase the danger to visitors in national parks.” It would put wildlife at risk, they claim, and make poaching easier.

But Wayne LaPierre, head of the National Rifle Association, tells me many states allow residents with permits to carry guns in state parks – why not the federal government?

“They (the states) have changed their firearms laws within the last 15 years to allow good people to protect themselves from bad people and this simply puts federal law in compliance with that change in terms of state law.”

Finnerty sees another reason behind the proposal: “I think this is an attempt by the policy people in the [Bush] administration,” she says, “to take care of one of their very important constituencies, the National Rifle Association.”

A half-hour drive and I am at Great Falls National Park. The water far below at Mather Gorge is white with foam. Half of this park is in Virginia, where gun laws allow people with permits to carry concealed weapons; half is in Maryland, where they do not.

If the regulations are changed, the National Park Service says they will put up signs and run educational outreach to explain the law.

I strike up a conversation with photographer Maria Stenzel. She’s watching the gray heron. “We have too many weapons already,” she tells me. “We have too much violence all over the country and we don’t need to allow them in new places.”

Graduate student Nathanael Snow, watching the Potomac River roar downstream, says, “For me, I feel safer if I know that people who are qualified and proficient in handling a weapon have it on them because the bad guys are going to have guns on them anyway.”

The public has until the end of June to comment on the proposed change. The Interior Department then will decide.

Misunderstood: Guy says “I have a Glock 22” person hears “I have a Glock .22(lr).”

I wonder how many weapons are already carried concealed everyday in National Parks?

oh duh. :o

At least the grad student make some sense. “the bad guy has gun anyway”.

There are .22 conversion kits for Glock. so who really knows.

Another thing that blows my mind. Is if someone is going to the park already with the intent to commit violence with a firearm they are not going to be concerned about the current law of no weapons allowed in a National park. That law is the least of their concerns. The more firearms in the hands of good citizens will only prevent crimes. Liberals are morons.

I live here in the mountains of NC very close to the Appalachian Trail. The crime statistics are very very low in most park areas until you get to the rough areas on the outskirts of the parks, ie. where the local meth labs are. There is an inordinate amount of rapes and robberies in certain areas and this more than warrants the ability of citizens to protect themselves on federal and state lands.

This and the fact that I have had one to many close encounters with unleashed dogs on the trails that were very protective of their owners.

I really dont see what the big deal is with letting people carry legally. Has this issue not been beaten into the ground already only to be proven that CCW holders are statistically less likely to commit a crime than NYPD officer. The ratio is about 3:1.

Good article. Thanks!

I think in a lot of ways, the “no weapons in federal parks” is more about poaching or idoits just shooting things.

As a CCW issue, I agree with sportyr1200 “I really dont see what the big deal is with letting people carry legally. Has this issue not been beaten into the ground already only to be proven that CCW holders are statistically less likely to commit a crime than NYPD officer. The ratio is about 3:1.”

This would be my assumption as to how these laws came about as well. Maybe meaning well, but too restrictive regardless.

I love the photographer’s quote toward the end about how we have “too many weapons already.” Every time I hear that, I transfer a little money into my “gun acquisition fund” as a symbolic protest that I, at least do not have enough already. :smiley:

The photographer quoted also reminds us that there is a lot of violence out there. A fair enough point and a good reminder to carry.

Yeah check out this article. Guy gets out in 14 years after killing 2 guys in a park and goes out and does it again.

http://www.inrich.com/cva/ric/news.apx.-content-articles-RTD-2008-05-08-0174.html

I sure would be mad, if the last 2 people we’re my loved ones.

Here’s ont to make you puke!

https://community.hsus.org/campaign/US_2008_parks_poaching/explanation

The Humane Society
of the
United States
2100 L Street, NW
Washington, DC 20037
202-452-1100

What’s At Stake?
Don’t let the NRA open our national parks to poaching!
Having long prohibited sport hunting, national parks are among the few remaining safe havens for wild animals and also for park visitors who enjoy other recreational activities. Even with this prohibition, poaching on national park lands has reached epidemic proportions and with declining resources, rangers are struggling to stay one step ahead of poachers.

Allowing loaded weapons will not only encourage some visitors to shoot at park wildlife, it will also remove one of the most important law enforcement tools available to overtaxed ranger staff. Currently, the presence of a loaded weapon is one of the only clues available for rangers in discovering and prosecuting poachers. A change in the law will ensure that poachers, who often sell animal parts on the black market for a handsome profit, gain a significant advantage over law enforcement in their grisly underground operations.

National parks are home to many endangered species of birds and mammals. Even with the restriction on loaded weapons, human-caused mortality is the most significant cause of death for grizzly bears. At least four grizzly bears were killed this year by people carrying loaded weapons in violation of the existing regulation. Agency officials believe that poaching is a major factor in the decline of at least 29 species and may cause the extirpation of 19 species in park lands. Some of the most vulnerable wildlife species, such as the desert tortoise found in Joshua Tree and Death Valley National Parks, will be unable to escape should visitors decide to use them for target practice.

Millions of park visitors enjoy and view wildlife in national parks, which allow for safe, peaceful and unmatched wildlife viewing opportunities. Allowing loaded weapons in parks will not only result in the avoidable killing of wildlife, but will also adversely affect the behavior of wildlife, making them more skittish and diminishing the experiences of park visitors.

It’s obvious whoever wrote this piece is a fucking moron and has no clue what they are talking about. I would love to know just where they pulled these stats from.

This would be my greatest concern as well. Always a potential problem.

:rolleyes:

This happened near where I grew up.