Who is looked at as a notch or two above them straight from the factory? BCM? LMT?
lol… If you have any protective head gear around, I suggest you put it on immediately.
I’ve got my Stage Lvl3 bullet proof helmet on :D…
Colt not good enough for ya?
Look at the chart; Colt is in the first position. There is a reason for this. BCM and DD seems to have equaled Colts’ quality/testing/assembly. I would not say anyone has surpassed them. There is a member here that is big on Colts and named off two or three processes that Colt does that no one else does. Maybe he’ll chime in and remind us what they were, I can’t remember for sure. I believe one item was a dry film lube applied (baked?) in the upper receiver. Seems like another item involved the RE (receiver extension) but again I’m not sure. If you are looking to buy a carbine I, personally, would consider any of those three (Colt, BCM, and DD) with Noveske and LMT also considered “Tier one” weapons. You could simply choose one of these based on the best price and you would still be confident to have gotten a high end, quality carbine.
Full disclosure, I’ve owned a LMT for about three years now and bought a Colt 6920 this past week. When I got the LMT I already had a BM in my possesion for about two years prior (to the LMT). When I first got the LMT I was a little surprised how much better it’s quality was than the BM’s. I soon sold the BM. I received the 6920 this past Monday and went to the range yesterday (Thursday). I was very surprised that the Colt ‘seemed’ so much better than my LMT. By better I mean it felt ‘smoother’ and seemed more accurate. I hope to get them both out to the range in the next month or so (weather and other reasons permitting) and try them side by side and post my findings. I’ve got a couple of ideas as to why but I want to get this comparison done first.
Again, my best advice would be to study the chart, search M4C and stay current on the posts. I think you will find any of the top 5 or so carbines on the chart to not be lacking in quality. Welcome and good luck.
HK maybe.
At this point…that is an unknown. Piston driven ARs are somewhat unpredictable at the moment compared to classic direct impingement and have the occasional design problems. H&K is probably the best overall manufacturer of firearms right now, but even they run into problems that need correcting.
It’s gonna be really hard to find an AR better than a Colt. They follow the TDP(technical data package) which is a military specification format that’s been refined for about 60 years now. At least when you buy a Colt, you know you can depend on it to be reliable, accurate, and tough as nails military rifle.
On a serious note, this is a relatively simple question to answer – I just finished writing this same thing in another thread.
There are a few very minor things that Colt does so that they can use them as talking points in a pro-Colt argument, such as individually testing bolts rather than testing them in a batch. Other than those types of things, Noveske, for example is better.
Noveske has a Cold Hammer Forged barrel, which is substantially longer-lasting than one that is not, such as the Colt. Noveske barrels are chrome lined, this also increases the life of the barrel, Colt barrels are not. Noveske offers a lifetime warranty, Colt offers one year.
LMT
Noveske
LaRue
Knights Armament
Based on a number of criteria, those above and some others are, at the very least, on par with Colt, and exceed Colt in many respects. Personally, I’m looking into getting an LMT piston MRP.
To your first post, Marcus L: not the question being asked. but to answer your question, ya they are but there could be better ?
?>Ferrari. Ferrari not good enough? well no, it most likely is to most but some may prefer a lambo or the like. The like would be a Spyker, Koenigsegg CCXR, Pagani Zonda F or Cinque or R, Maserati MC12, Aston Martin One-77, Bugatti Veyron Pur Sang…I could go on. My point is Ferrari or Lambo I suppose has created a name for themselves. Most people with money would grab a ferrari but would have enough $ to buy one of the others if they knew. That said there are companies out there who are smaller and are far less known, unless you know that area well, in this case AR’s which surpass the “Well known” companies. General public may not know without doing research-most won’t. I consider myself as “general public” when it comes to AR’s-doing my research. I’ve always known that colt’s are good because everyone knows about them. And YES they are good no question. My question is who is better? The smaller company that is better. The company well known in the forums but not behind the gun counter at Wal-Mart. Maybe there isn’t one? Idk thats why im asking…
Noveske barrels are chrome lined, this also increases the life of the barrel, Colt barrels are not.
Colt barrels ARE chrome-lined.
Uhhh…Colt chrome lines their bores and chamber.
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pwswheghNQsEuEhjFwPrgTA&gid=5
Also, cold hammer forged barrels are cheaper to make versus button milled barrels. There is no measurable advantage to using a cold hammer forged barrel versus a quality button turned barrel. Once the molecular structure of the steel is uniform in the smelting process, the only way to improve its strength is through heat treatment. Forging only helps to mix up the alloys to make the steel more uniform in poorly smelted steel. This is why modern cutlery steels that are not forged are actually stronger and more elastic than most forged steels.
Smoothness is perception. Accuracy is measured.
I do not understand how any weapon can “seem” to be more accurate than another.
In the time that is took to write my last post many posts popped up! Ok guys thanks for the info. I do like Noveske for somereason? The name hehe and the fact they are made pretty locally. I think my next AR will be a Noveske with a new bolt or just maybe a bcg from bcm. Their barrels are nice no dought.
On a side note, what is the general on RR? Thats what I currently have, I plan on putting a bcm bcg in it along with have my castle nut staked. Doing those things how do think it should stand?
Start here:
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pwswheghNQsEuEhjFwPrgTA&gid=5
The brands on the far left are what you want as they are proven specifications. Notice Colt is on the far left, as it is the standard by which all others are judged by.
looks like all you need to do with a noveske is put a bcm bcg in it and ur right there with the colt as far as the “chart” goes. I did list bcm as an option but no one seemed to perk on it?
noveske double chrome lines their barrels. maybe that’s what he means
As I said, I have a couple of solid ideas as to what is going on here and when I get them both to the range side by side I will investigate further. Smoothness (for lack of a better term), I maybe should have said perceived recoil. Again I think I know why but I will compare them before going on.
I am not asking you to understand. When you use a machine (weapon, vehichle etc.) you will get to know how it works and feels. And it may be slightly different than another. Don’t make this get ugly. Again, I’ve noticed some differences and will investigate further. I hope to post some pics, impressions and possible/probable reasons. Be patient.
wheres larue stand in all of this?
More chrome means more barrel life(40k instead of 30k rounds maybe), but thicker chroming has the side effect of decreasing accuracy. That’s why precision rifles are not chrome lined.
Everything is a trade-off. I still prefer military spec.
everything i’ve read here and there has indicated that noveske makes a pretty accurate barrel. i don’t know if they double chrome line all of their barrels, though.