Colt 6920 Jammed

[sinlessorrow]

@wingspar

The round is straight as possible. Only one tiny scratch on the bullet forward of where it will make contact with the barrel. It should work fine.

I could not agree more. Thanks for your post.

Dont worry about scratches, they come from the barrel extension when you extract the live round.

If you insist on running steel lube them first. Put some lube on a rag and wipe them down. Steel ammo generally has this powdery type substance on it from the factory which can cause feeding and extracting issues.

[Submariner]

@C4IGrant

Public SVC Announcement!

4. Jam goes on bread! It is called a MALFUNCTION!

C4

Yes, Grant!

[anon68409835]

@MistWolf

In actuality, machines have a variety of malfunctions. Getting jammed is just one of them. For example, when a cartridge is out of place and gets jammed inside the rifle, it’s a jammed cartridge. If a primer pops out and gets jammed up inside the BCG or action or trigger group, you have a jammed primer. Both are a type of jam and neither will go well with peanut butter. This isn’t to say every malfunction of your weapon is a jam, but jam isn’t just for toast

Thanks for that. As an old fogey I can relate that “jam” has been used for a lot of years. Now that we are all more sensitive and presumably more accurate in our use of words I suppose using a word like “malf” or “malfunction” is superior. But it’s a bit like referring to wooden things on the side of a 1911 as “stocks” when they used to be simply called “grips”.

[BH321]

@MistWolf

In actuality, machines have a variety of malfunctions. Getting jammed is just one of them. For example, when a cartridge is out of place and gets jammed inside the rifle, it’s a jammed cartridge. If a primer pops out and gets jammed up inside the BCG or action or trigger group, you have a jammed primer. Both are a type of jam and neither will go well with peanut butter. This isn’t to say every malfunction of your weapon is a jam, but jam isn’t just for toast

I think this is in the same vein of “THAT ISN’T YOUR GUN! THAT IS YOUR WEAPON/RIFLE!” which goes hand in hand with “WHERE IS YOUR WEAPON SOLDIER/MARINE/AIRMAN/SAILOR!”. In any case, a jam is only one type of malfunction and as such the preferred method is to refer to the problem as a malfunction until you actually know for sure what the problem is (broken part vs. jammed round causing the carrier group to lock in place).

[hotrodder636]

@C4IGrant

Public SVC Announcement!

1. Don’t mix brass and non-brass ammo without a serious cleaning between them.
2. You have a Colt. Don’t shoot crap ammo through it!
3. Lubricate your weapon!
4. Jam goes on bread! It is called a MALFUNCTION!

C4

I like number 4. Reminds me of people calling magazines “clips”.

[Tweak]

If we’re going to jump on the semantic band wagon then we can get it right and do it the way Uncle teaches it.

Interruptions to the cycle of functioning are stoppages.

Malfunctions can occur even while the gun continues to fire or may only be present under certain circumstances like G-load.

But, I might as well argue charger over clip/stripper.

[ryu_sekai]

@markm

DOG SHIT ammo perhaps??? :eek:

That’s not fair I have shot about 6000 rds of WPA without any issues.

[yossarian42]

Only time I’ve had this happen was when testing an old pre-ban usgi 30 rounder. (NY) I was using the mag as a mono-pod and had the same type of Jam you describe.

I always hear guys talk about using their 30 rounder as mono pods but I think that is what caused the jam. The mag tilts slightly when leaned on and the round was stuck tilted up.

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[wingspar]

@yossarian42

Only time I’ve had this happen was when testing an old pre-ban usgi 30 rounder. (NY) I was using the mag as a mono-pod and had the same type of Jam you describe.

I always hear guys talk about using their 30 rounder as mono pods but I think that is what caused the jam. The mag tilts slightly when leaned on and the round was stuck tilted up.

I wonder if my jam/malfunction happened because maybe that round wasn’t properly seated in the magazine?

[skullworks]

@yossarian42

Only time I’ve had this happen was when testing an old pre-ban usgi 30 rounder. (NY) I was using the mag as a mono-pod and had the same type of Jam you describe.

I always hear guys talk about using their 30 rounder as mono pods but I think that is what caused the jam. The mag tilts slightly when leaned on and the round was stuck tilted up.

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Ymmv depending on manufacture of weapon as well as make, quality and wear of magazine. I haven’t experienced any problems using PMAGs or Brownells’ 30-rounders as monopod. My Surefire 60-rounder chokes though.

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[yossarian42]

@skullworks

Ymmv depending on manufacture of weapon as well as make, quality and wear of magazine. I haven’t experienced any problems using PMAGs or Brownells’ 30-rounders as monopod. My Surefire 60-rounder chokes though.

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This particular mag was may by okay industries and it is indeed old I think the date is 1986 on the inside. Replaced the follower and installed ranger plate, haven’t replaced the spring though.

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[Suwannee_Tim]

@MistWolf

In actuality, machines have a variety of malfunctions. Getting jammed is just one of them. For example, when a cartridge is out of place and gets jammed inside the rifle, it’s a jammed cartridge. If a primer pops out and gets jammed up inside the BCG or action or trigger group, you have a jammed primer. Both are a type of jam and neither will go well with peanut butter. This isn’t to say every malfunction of your weapon is a jam, but jam isn’t just for toast

Jam goes on bread MistWolf. This is a malfunction. If IG can be sensitive then you can use the correct terminology and keep the nomenclature Nazis happy.

[STICKMAN]

@Suwannee_Tim

Jam goes on bread MistWolf. This is a malfunction. If IG can be sensitive then you can use the correct terminology and keep the nomenclature Nazis happy.

If you are keeping nomenclature Nazis happy, then learn the difference between a jam and a malfunction. There is a large difference, and for some reason its not being pointed out here. The two terms are legit at different times.

A malfunction is an interruption in the cycle of operation in which the weapon can be cleared by the operator.

A jam is an interruption in the cycle of operation which can not be cleared without the use of tools or skills of an armorer.

[MistWolf]

Just wanted to point out that a jam is just one type of malfunction which involves a part or debris locking up the mechanism. I will not insist that a round stuck in the chamber constitutes a jam unless there was some kind of debris in there causing the lock up.

I offer up how jams are defined according to my technical training as something to think about. If any wish to disagree with me, I will not argue

[Submariner]

@Stickman

If you are keeping nomenclature Nazis happy, then learn the difference between a jam and a malfunction. There is a large difference, and for some reason its not being pointed out here. The two terms are legit at different times.

A malfunction is an interruption in the cycle of operation in which the weapon can be cleared by the operator.

A jam is an interruption in the cycle of operation which can not be cleared without the use of tools or skills of an armorer.

This is good to know. It would be even more effective in dealing with “nomenclature Nazis” if you would provide a credible source for the definition.

[JSantoro]

@sinlessorrow

If you insist on running steel lube them first. Put some lube on a rag and wipe them down.

A possibly more efficient method:
-Put one of those silicone-embedded rags (http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/cid=0/k=silicone+cloth/t=P/ksubmit=y/Products/All/search=silicone_cloth) in an ammo can or tupperware container.

-Add ammo, close lid.

-Tumble ammo in container, as required.

-Load and use ammo, as traditional.

Similar: Used to dump up to 500 rounds at a time in a couple of small doubled-up trash bags, add lubed cloth and freakin’ go to town like so…

http://gifs.gifbin.com/g65099386.gif

We need to get past the nomenclature border-clash, and focus on helping out the OP with his immediate need, else we can close this up.

[system]

Hope the poor impulse-control that led to open defiance was worth it.

[markm]

Some threads refuse to die.

[wingspar]

@JSantoro

We need to get past the nomenclature border-clash, and focus on helping out the OP with his immediate need, else we can close this up.

Thanks for that. There have been a few times I was about to request that this thread be closed, but then someone would post something helpful, or at least on subject, and I would change my mind.

I still really do not know what caused the problem I started this thread with, but the actual fix was posted in the first reply. I just had to ask some questions before I tried to mortar the round out as it didn’t sound safe at first, but turns out to be quite safe, and an easy fix and a learning experience for me, and probably others new to the AR platform that have read this thread.

The only thing I can come up with was that the round may have not been seated in the mag properly and was fed at a bad angle. There is probably no way of ever actually knowing.