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Match announcement for the PPPS Rifle Match for Sunday, October 28th, 2008

This will be the annual AK vs. AR match.

Match Announcement / Match Info:

For the past three years or so we’ve hosted an AR vs. AK style match. The original intent was a heads-up comparison between the two systems in back-to-back runs on the same course of fire.

Last year, I mindlessly retained our usual Long Range stage and Standard Exercise stage which was incredibly frustrating-miserable in fact-for those of us shooting AKs. I was painfully reminded of the AK’s “nature.”

This year I’d like to make the event more about using the rifles/carbines at distances suitable to iron sights / dot scopes, instead of some kind of head to head comparison of ARs vs. AKs. So if you have a blaster setup for work on the close side of 250 yards, then here is the plan for this year:

-Three classes:

-AK Style Rifles (Iron Sighted AK-47, AK-74, SKS, etc, no bipods, no drum style magazines)

-AR Style Rifles (Iron Sighted AR-15 type, no bipods, no drum style magazines)

-Optics (Semi-Auto style rifles with one optic, no bipods, no drum style magazines)

-Three Courses of Fire @ about 35 rounds per stage:

-Long Range (Full size Pepper Poppers @ no more than 250 yards; flash targets ranging from 125 yards to 200 yards; all this from the first firing point, the shooter will advance forward toward the targets.)

-Mid-Range (Flash targets ranging from 90 yards to 150 yards; the shooter will move toward the sides of the range)

-Close Range (Several Paper Targets not to exceed 50 yards from the first firing position, all hits scored minor)

Pikes Peak Practical Sshooters (PPPS) Rifle hopes to see you for the October Match wherein we are going to make it “easy” to get hits.

-Eddie Xxxxxx

Semper Fi,
Jeff

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Match tomarrow. Hope to see some of you slackers there.

-Jeff

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Got this match announcement via email for this Sunday’s match:

The Rifle Match for Sunday is a GO!
(Semi-Auto Format)

We are going to run a Semi-Auto format rifle match this Sunday (11-25-07). It will be back to the standard way which means much longer ranges and Standard Exercises. Clean off your rifle scope, sensitize your trigger finger, and practice your breathing.

Beginning in March of 2008 we are going to replace the Bolt Action matches with shotgun only matches. We’ve yet to finalize the rules and get PWSA approval, however, we have the support of Lizard and the folks running the PPPS pistol matches. Lizard has offered the use of his metal falling plates which was a prerequisite for the shotgun matches to go forward.

In broad strokes, the Shotgun matches will have three classes: Open, Tactical, and Pump. We intend on about three stages: Buckshot and slug only fired on paper targets; two stages fired with birdshot featuring falling metal, one of these stages will have at least two 50 yard slug shots. We may incorporate some shots on the Gibson pigeon flippers, however, Rhodes is resistant to using these targets in this format. You can expect to shoot about 25 rounds of OO buck, about 10 slugs, and about 40 rounds of birdshot. It will be ruff and ready shooting and oriented toward the Gunsite/SOF style, social shotgun concept. The written format will be distributed about the middle of December to the folks on this mailing list.

This Sunday (11-25-07): Setup begins about 0645. Use the blue lock, 2506, be sure to lock the locks in a series to allow other users of the range access; walk thru at 0945; cost is $15.00 per match for everyone, Pikes Peak Practical Shooters (PPPS) does not have a club which collects annual dues , cash is best; be sure to note whether you are a PWSA member on the entry card, we pay a fee to PWSA for non-members of the host club and we need an accurate count; expect to shoot at least 100 rounds; weather is expected to be about 50 degrees and sunny.

This will be the last match until we start up the Shotgun Match in March of 2008, then we will alternate between the Semi-Auto Rifle Matches and the Shotgun Matches.

You better come out and get your holiday fix before winter comes and we are all stuck in the house regretting not making that last trip to the range.

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Check out Zak Smith’s outstanding article “Fighting Optics for the AR15” in the Feb 4th edition of the Shotgun News (on news stands now) and you will see several pictures from this match and local shooters may also recognize several members from this board shooting in the match.

Come out and shoot, maybe Zak will make you famous [;)]

Matches start up again in March.

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RIFLE Match in MARCH (not shotgun…no match in Feb)

Got this via email:

We will have a RIFLE Match on the 4th Sunday in MARCH.

Sorry no match this month. Xxxxxx and Xxxxxx are using that weekend to repair some of the things we all shot up last year, build a couple of new barricades, and confab on the strategy for 2008.

As soon as possible we’ll get out the new rules/format. Remember we will shoot Rifle on the odd numbered months and Shotgun Only on the even numbered months.

Xxxxxx

Hope to see some of you guys next month!!!

S/F,
Jeff

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RIFLE MATCH THIS SUNDAY

The fourth Sunday this month falls on Easter. That is unfortunate but we will have a Rifle Only match as scheduled. The weather is projected to be mild and sunny.

As always set-up begins around 0645; walk-thru at 0945, use the blue lock (combo: 2506) and relock it back in a series so other users of the range have access;

cost is $15.00 dollars;

you can expect to shoot about 100 rounds if you are very good, bring more if you expect a miss or two it, it easy to carry extra rounds back home, it is hard to make them appear when you are prone in the middle of a stage.

Xxxxx Xxxxxx

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Got the following match announcement via email:

Sunday (04-27-08) we will take our first run at our Shotgun Only match.

Set-up begins at 0645; combination to the blue lock is 2506 -be sure to lock back in a series so other users of the range have access via “their” locks;

-cost is $20.00;

-weather is predicted to be Sunny, 68, breezy;

-round count: no more than 25 OO or OOO buckshot, no more than 10 slugs; about 60 rounds of birdshot.

Notes:

-When we speak of “buckshot” we mean a specific loading of a certain size of shot. For our event you may only shoot the Buckshot Stage with either 8 or 9 pellet OO or OOO buckshot. We will shoot this stage on paper targets so a loading of no other size or number of projectiles is acceptable.

“Birdshot” means lead shot in sizes running from #8 to about #4 is appropriate. Use your judgment as to the velocity and weight of the loading. You’ll be shooting metal knock down targets, so you don’t need anything fancy, but you need enough power or choke to knock over an 8" pistol plate or Pepper Popper.

-We will not allow you to stage your ammo, that is you cannot begin a stage with your magazine loaded with a mix of buckshot/birdshot and slugs. You need to select load for the challenge when you arrive at the segment of the stage needing the special loading. Additionally, we will not allow you stage your ammo on your carriers; don’t mix your slugs and birdshot/buckshot together in the same carrier. For safety reasons, the R.O. must be able to see that a particular round comes from an exclusive source.

-We will have a couple of 75 yard slug shots on metal ABC zone metal targets.

Eddie

S/F,
Jeff

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Some pics from yesterday’s rifle match:

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Got this last night via email:

Rifle Match this Sunday, 9/28/08

As always:

-setup at 0645 (they give you a discount on the match fee if you help set up),

-walk thru at 0945 (this is where they explain the courses of fire);

-cost is $15.00;

-use the blue lock for access to the range… gate combo for the blue lock: (2506), Please lock this lock back into a series so other users of the range with their own locks can come and go;

-most shooters can complete the 3 stage match with 120 rounds or less.

Come and celebrate your opportunity to shoot military style rifles, at distance, on reactive targets, in an action format, with some of the most knowledgeable shooters in the region, at the foot of Pikes Peak.

The weather promises to be mild and the match will last most of the day. A long match is a blessing! Can I get an Amen?

Xxxxxx

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Damn I’d love to be able to go…but I have ~$60 to my name until Wednesday and I just ordered a $44 sling :stuck_out_tongue:

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I just hope these matches don’t go the way of the IDPA matches at Pueblo West. I had just started shooting those (twice to be exact) when they decided not to hold them in Pueblo any longer secondary to lack of setup and teardown participation by the shooters. Essentially it was always about four or five guys setting up the match. A few more stuck around to help tear down but there you go.

I just ordered a S&W M&P 15T and I reaallllyy want this event to stay in Pueblo! So everyone pitch in at these things so I can start and then KEEP shooting ten minutes from my house! It’s all about me, after all.

p.s. I did help set up and tear down the two IDPA matches I attended and it really sucked to watch 90% of the shooters roll in around 9:00 for the shooters meeting after we’d been there freezing our behinds off setting up.

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BAD NEWS FOLLOWS - GOT THIS VIA EMAIL:

After the match on Sunday, October 26, 2008 we will NO LONGER be holding long gun matches at Pueblo West Sportsmans Association.

The burden of putting on the events has gotten to be a little too much for the match directors. For those of you who don’t know, Hoser got that whole ball rolling several years back.

When Hoser had to deploy we filled in. It was my hope Hoser would be able to get back in the driver’s seat, but he advised me that wasn’t possible at this time.

The equipment used in the matches is the property of the Pikes Peak Practical Shooters and that is where it will be returned, so if someone is ambitious they might consider…

Match Announcement

This Sunday, October 26, 2008 we will have one more match. In an effort to make things simple for setup and teardown, we will have a RIFLE Match.

This Sunday’s rifle match will be in the same format with a little higher round count on the Long Range and Mid-Range stages. The weather looks good for Pueblo West, a perfect day for Worship.

Rifle Match for Sunday:

-cost for everyone will be $3.00 (surcharge to pay the Pueblo West Sportsman’s Association);

-an average shooter should be able to get by with 140 rounds (40est+40est+30);

set-up about 6:45am;

walk through about 9:30am;

use the BLUE lock (combo - 2506) and PLEASE lock this lock back into a series with the other locks on the chain so the participants in the other events can come and go.

Eddie Xxxxxx

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Well, that figures. I am just getting ready to redeploy home from Iraq to Fort Carson, CO. I was considering joining the PWSA and taking part in these matches.

Guess I will just go shoot with the ninjas and hoods up at Rampart :mad:

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Figures. Just got my M4S attached to my MP15. Guess it’s just paper targets now. Are there any other long gun matches in the state?

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Good news…the show will go on…got the following info via email:

Here is what is planned for the 2009 Pueblo Rifle Matches. Some changes, lots of the same.

I am the Match Director (again) and Justin Oxxx is the Assistant Match Director. Mike, Chuck, and George have all stepped up to help us out and make the matches happen. Without these four guys, Oct 2008 would have been the last Pueblo West Rifle Match. The IPSC club is still the main club and we are just using their stuff. Like my match staff, without Lizard, it could not and would not happen. Please be sure to say thanks.

In a nutshell the three stage format of Long Range, Medium Range and Standards will stay. Open, Tactical and He-Man are the divisions.

Time plus scoring will be used. When it comes to paper targets, Deltas do not count. Look for a little more paper now and again, but it will all be close up stuff. No paper past 35-50 yards. Again, D hits on paper don’t count and are misses. Two hits anywhere else is good.

Round counts will be no more than 30-ish per stage. Total minimum round count should not exceed 100. The shooting will still be hard, so bring extra ammo.

Standards will still be 70 seconds, fixed time, on MGM Flash Targets. 5 shots prone at 200 yards. 5 shots other than prone (kneel, sit, squat) at 175 yards. 5 shots standing at 150 yards. The fourth string will be all three positions with mandatory reloads between each, just like now. However slings, bi-pods, mono-podding, ect are allowed in sitting and prone. Standing is still done the old fashioned way.

The long range and medium range stage will have more shooting positions but fewer targets downrange. This will hopefully make things easier on the spotters, RO and the shooter. The LaRue target will be at most matches as will the pepper poppers with flash-bulbs.

The Sept match will be the annual AK vs. AR match.

Every once in a while there may be a bolt gun side match.

There will be no shotgun matches at all. It just takes more help and time than we have to put on a quality shotgun match.

Justin and I are open to suggestions. After all, it is your match. You pay the match fee. We just set it up.

Updates, news and stuff like it can be found at: http://www.co-ar15.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=114

Lastly, thanks to Eddie, Vicki, Jeff and Tom for keeping it going these past years.

See you there.

Hoser

Thanks for keeping it going Hoser!!!

S/F,
Jeff

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Updated this post when the board was having problems and the post didn’t get moved to the top.

S/F,
Jeff

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Pics from last week’s match…first match of the season…(4th Sunday of every month at the Pueblo West Sportsmans Association range):

Targets that you’ll typically see at ranges from 50 yards out to around 400 yards (along with LaRue targets, steel pepper poppers, 10" round gongs, etc):

Every match is an opportunity to learn something about yourself as a shooter and about the guns / gear / optics that you are running.

Hope to see some of you at next month’s match!

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I sure hope this match is still going on when I get moved down there. I am leaving Alaska in June moving to Colorado Springs. Should be there around July (hopefully with all of my goods). I would love to try my hand at shooting a match again.

Dawna

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That sure looks fun! I will have to check it out.

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Some pics from today’s match:

LaRue at 360 yards:

Target at 400 yard (33" tall):

Shooter gettin’ busy with a 6.5 Grendel:

S/F,
Jeff