New Chinese stealth jet starts talk of Russian help
http://news.yahoo.com/chinese-stealth-jet-fuels-talk-russian-help-080841615.html
Neither can even build a car that can be trusted…good luck with advanced aircraft
They (Russia) actually build very good fighters. China isn’t a slouch either (albeit because of reverse engineering), plus China has money.
Indeed, when russia wishes too it can turn out some very capable military arms, quality control has traditionally been somewhat of a problem for them but they can overcome that in specific industries such as aerospace. They have traditionally matched us very well as far as fighter aircraft are concerned and their missiles have not been that far behind. The true arms race now is in sensor technology.
Russian fighters are the best in the world… don’t even try to bring up the F-22 or the F-35… they have been grounded for months with no return to service in sight.
The Sukhoi PAK-FA is the most advance fighter in the world. It has Active Plasma Masking Stealth… where in the entire fighter is encapsulated in a plasma, absorbing all radar waves… we have nothing that will touch it.
If Russia had the money that we used to have to spend on maintenance and quality control, they could decimate us on the skies, in the sea, and on land.
If you don’t believe me, look up the SU-37, TU-160 Blackjack, TU-95 Bear, and the Typhoon submarine… I rest my case
Sure they could…:rolleyes:
Why didn’t they do it from 1945-1989?
They did… look at most of the Aircraft I listed before making uneducated assumptions
and correct me If I’m wrong but… who was the first in Space? and who is still making regular flights to space in a 40 year old capsule design?
I’m sorry, I must have missed the conflict where Russia “dominated” us by virtue of their armed forces, doctrine or equipment (even the ones you listed).
How did the Iraqi military of 1990-1991 and 2003 (which employed Soviet/Russian doctrine and equipment) fare against our forces?
To think that the Russians could go toe to toe with our military and prevail shows who is making uneducated assumptions.
Ever work with the Russian military?
And what pray tell are the credentials that make you an expert?
Have you flown russian aircraft? How about american aircraft?
Do you bring anything more to the discussion than parroting things youve read in books or on the internet?
What is the F-15’s Air to Air combat record against all comers for 30 years???
Toasted Raviolis, the ice cream cone and world beating fighter aircraft… Thank you St. Louis.
Russia fully endorses China’s military build-up… as long as it mainly in the Navy…
What was the key factor in what I said… I said had they had the money for upkeep and maintenance they would destroy us. Lets look at the TU-160 Blackjack as compared to our B-1 or our B-52… no contest… and now lets also examine why we even developed the F-15… might that be because of a mach 3 fighter/ interceptor known as the MIG-25 Fox bat?
and please explain to me why… if their aircraft are so lacking in design ingenuity that they are able to take off from a stand still from a carrier with no catapult … even with the brakes locked up?
And also please explain when the US decimated the Russians by virtue of their armed forces, doctrine or equipment?
Again…What makes you say this? What first hand experience do you have with the Russian armed forces?
Have you worked with them directly?
Are you aware that the Russians have essentially no NCO corps of any value?
And your first hand knowledge of this is due to your joining their ranks and participating in their training?
For a country with inferior engineering, its awfully strange that their 30 year old, second hand weapons are causing us so much trouble over seas today…
Simply saying that the F-15 is this and that and blah blah blah because it shot down Iranian, Syrian, and Iraqi piloted MIGs, doesn’t say anything about the capability of those aircraft.
That is the exact same as saying a bum off the street was driving a Ferrari and was beaten in a drag race by Mario Andretti in a Corvette… so therefore the Corvette is superior to the Ferrari… doesn’t work that way
Almost everyone here has this sense of entitlement that simply because we were born here in the US, by no action of our own mind you, that we are simply better than everyone and everything else and that’s the way it is and everyone else can suck it… well lets venture back to reality now and pull the blinders back and be a little less disillusioned by the propaganda we’ve been fed since we were born.
Yes the US is amazing, is it better than anyone else, no. Its fine for the US to not be the best at something… we’ll get past it…
Do your research and you will learn just as I have, Russian Aircraft are superior. I love american aircraft, which is why I became a PILOT, so I think I know a little more about the subject than someone not in the aviation field. But simply because someone else is better doesn’t mean its not worth liking anymore. Don’t just jump up and yell BULLSHIT and blah blah blah because you feel so passionate that no one can beat the US at anything… because at my count right now… we’re at 4 in the lose column.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFavtMOXrOE&feature=related
no catapult… with the parking break still set… I rest my case
We don’t even have the ability to send a man into space anymore.
That’s a crying shame.
I believe our aircraft are better ‘for now’ but it is completely unforgivable that we do not protect the technology.
exactly… and so we are now forced to rely on the Russians with their Soyuz capsule to ferry us to and from the ISS.
We didn’t have to, they sank themselves.
And while some of the Russian/Soviet tech sounds great on paper, their engineering capacity and quality is highly suspect, in addition to the infrastructure needed to maintain and move a fleet of advanced aircraft.
There is a reason we can park a massive mobile air force off the cost of any nation and maintain fighting capability for years, while the Russians are far more prone to having a plane fall out of the sky, or their carrier group break down while en route to mission.
So while it might seem really cool that a fighter can launch without the aid of a catapult, it’s way less cool to have to do so while your carrier is being towed because it broke down, or your plane simply fell into the ocean because they can’t get fuel.
Besides, if the Russians had anything that cool, we would have sent Clint Eastwood to steal it years ago
Please put down the crack pipe…
Some US Pilot who was qualified on the former East German Mig-29’s once said somethig like:
“The F-16 handles like a Corvette, the Mig-29 handles like a Tractor.”
The Mig-25 was a joke once we got our hands on one. Yeah, it would go Mach 3…once. And then both engines had to be scrapped. Had the turning radius of a garbage scow. The F-15 was a gross overmatch for it.