And here I was hoping she would be the next Thatcher.
China thinks US should drop the trade war, oddly enough:
You know for someone who was on the “other side” of the wall, the German Chancellor certainly is not very cooperative with the people who financed the cold war that won her freedom is she?
I really wouldn’t blame the POTUS if we pulled out of Germany and moved lock, stock and barrel to Poland.
The whole system in Germany is about screwing the US.
The whole Trump and Germany thing rings true though. I think the threat of pulling out of NATO is something the media is blowing up and ends up being a big nothing burger (shocking, I know) but the overall question he asks is largely ignored by the media.
Interesting fact in that article that Reuters claims 35% of German oil and gas come from Russia. With that likely to go up in the future with the new pipeline. How exactly can you defend yourself (in Germany’s case) if Russia really wanted to apply the screws to them? I’m talking economically and militarily. Not saying Russia would cut their throats economically, but Putin is a grand political chess master and such things are on the board for him.
Trump is correct in bringing up the NATO contributions as well as nations like Germany doing things like this. NATO and Germany wants to talk about the possible threat from Russia. But they put themselves in a position to be beholden to the same nation that’s threatening them. They send in hard currency to Russia which in turn reinvests it in their military (possibly) and put themselves over the proverbial barrel by being far more dependent on a foreign source of energy from that same adversary.
I think it is worse than that. Russia is basically a commodity on the Chicago CME, prices up and Vlad is good, prices down and Vlad bad. Right? So we could, with the Saudis, flood the energy market and control Russia’s economy by proxy. But if our ally, whom we must defend by treaty, signs away all of their energy independence by engaging in a failed green renewables project and then fixing it by taking the majority of their energy from a strategic competitor, WTF? Top it off with them having to spend so much money on the migrants they let in that they can’t afford to fund a decent armored capability let alone train it and exercise it in theatre. I’d be pissed if I were Trump too. And leave them to deal with their own mess while I shift my focus to my greater strategic competitor.
China makes a move:
European Countries decided rather than working with Russia and perhaps even investing in Russia, it was more prudent to kick them when they were down.
I understand the hard feelings, but was that really the wisest move.
Putin being in charge is in perhaps a result of a situation these guys helped create.
Now they’re getting their oil from a hard line Nationalist who has them on a string.
In the meantime they import millions of unskilled labor in to their population who are a burden not an asset to the labor force, thus even further burdening the economy.
The only logical way out of this is to work with Trump and offer free and unfettered trade to boost the economy they have.
Instead they become more dependant on a failing EU and slap the hand that was extended to help them?
I’m not impressed by Merkel and I’m not seeing GB understanding the natural eventual results of what is happening.
We don’t need to support NATO if it’s members choose to petulant children.
Five Billion in fines on Google, really? I’ve yet to see how these trade wars benefit an economy and I have yet to see how Germany plays fair. They’re really not helping themselves in this situation.
Well the numbers of actual illegal aliens in the country has been skewed for decades so pardon me if I don’t believe the .gov source you provided.
Fact is NO ONE knows exactly how many “undocumented migrants” there are here since they are not . . . wait for it . . . documented.
That 11 million illegal aliens residing in the USA stat that NPR quotes- hasn’t been updated since 2003 and is purposely downplayed by leftists to not alarm people just how bad the problem truly is. Even back then a lot of counties were fighting for government benefits for their illegal alien residents said that the government estimates for the actual numbers were to low. In fact the government statistics were so low that they even adjusted the US census at the time to reflect the large body of illegal aliens but still not reflect the real numbers living here. Sane folks like myself whom are red pilled and woke are not just digesting the MSM DNC narrative for our statistics. I stand by my statement that there are 40 million illegal aliens living within our country- maybe more.
This is an older article as well.
How many illegal aliens reside in the United States?
“The mainstream media, whenever it actually mentions the number of illegal aliens living in the United States, categorically quotes the official government figure of 8-12 million. This number originated with the Department of Homeland Security, which in December 2003 estimated 8 million to 12 million illegal aliens resided in the United States and that 700,000 new illegals enter each year and remain in the country.1 Those stale, outdated estimates have not changed for over 13 years, even though the official annual increase alone would yield a corrected estimate of 15.7 million to 19.7 million illegal aliens today (not adjusting for Obama’s unconstitutional 2014 executive amnesty).”
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[i]"Alternative methodologies conclude that between 20 million and 40 million illegal aliens have evaded apprehension and live in the United States.
The official number was questioned by D.A. King of The Dustin Inman Society in 2004. Subsequently, an in-depth analysis was published by Fred Elbel1,7. In 2007, The Social Contract published an entire issue addressing the numbers of illegal aliens in the US2.
Nancy Boulton pointed out that two researchers at Bear Stearns Asset Management estimated that the number of illegal immigrants in 2005 could be as high as 20 million. Their figures were based on an analysis of the large discrepancy between official census estimates and growth in indicators such as remittances to the countries of origin, school enrollment and building permits.5,8"[/i]
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“The analysis by James H. Walsh notes that estimates compiled by the U.S. Census Bureau (USCB), national surveys, governmental agencies, philanthropic organizations, religious charities, nongovernment statistics-keeping agencies, and immigrant advocates range from 7 million to 20 million illegal aliens. Walsh concludes that the number is closer to 2 times 20 million, or 40 million.”
http://www.cairco.org/issues/how-many-illegal-aliens-reside-united-states
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I’ve heard the number is thirty million and I believe that’s in the ballpark.
according to the left global warming and all its issues 
15 years ago when my wife was coming in and getting her green card I was hearing around 20 million and about 10 million of those were known the others were unknown but most all said reality is about 3-4x that ?
fact is we do not know and fact is all stats are usually faked big time by the left who is kinda in control of these stats
look how many mass shootings happen according to the left !
There’s 12M in California alone.
I don’t know where you guys get your information.
The Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) says there are 12.5 million. https://www.fairus.org/issue/illegal-immigration/how-many-illegal-immigrants-are-in-us
FAIR is roughly one million higher in their estimate than the other groups that track illegal immigrant numbers:
FAIR assumes that there are 12.5 million illegal immigrants, over a million more than other organizations estimate (FAIR is inconsistent here as the number of illegal immigrants they report on page 34 is 12.6 million). Pew estimates there are 11.3 million illegal immigrants, the Center for Migration Studies (CMS) estimates that there are 11 million illegal immigrants, and the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) estimates there are 11.43 million illegal immigrants. FAIR’s estimate of the number of illegal immigrants is more than a million more than that of their sister organization, the Center for Immigration Studies, that also shares their goal of reducing immigration. https://www.cato.org/blog/fairs-fiscal-burden-illegal-immigration-study-fatally-flawed
If you’d give me a source for the larger claims, I’d be glad to take an open-minded look.
https://nationaleconomicseditorial.com/2018/01/19/yale-study-shows-23-million-illegal-immigrants/
A working paper by Dr. Mohammad Fazel Zarandi from the Yale School of Management, coauthored by two other Yale professors, estimates that there are 22.8 million illegal immigrants in the United States.
This is over double estimates compiled by the Department of Homeland Security, which claims 11.1 million illegal aliens live in the US.
The paper’s abstract outlines some of the reasons why their estimate is both higher, and better than the current government statistics:
We apply standard operational principles of inflows and outflows to estimate the number of undocumented immigrants in the United States, using the best available data, including some that has only recently become available. We generate a lower bound for the number of undocumented immigrants using conservative parameter values that underestimate inflows and overestimate outflows.
Our lower bound is close to 17 million, 50% higher than the most prominent current estimate of 11.3 million, which is based on survey data and thus different sources and methods. Standard parameter values generate an estimate of 22.8 million undocumented immigrants, twice as large as the current estimate.
I think the inflow/outflow analysis of illegal immigration is a more truthful approach. If we rely on self answering surveys then we also have to believe there are only four gun owners in America, and boating accidents involving “armories” happen 100 times a day across the land. It seems the “about 10 million” illegals number has been used by politicos for decades, yet we get 700k coming in every year?
How many LEGAL Immigrants can’t speak English? I would imagine most can get by. Yet we have entire schools now teaching in Spanish and many, many school districts providing ESL teachers and materials.
When I made friends with Vietnamese boat people in the early eighties they learned English right quick and their kids were forgetting Vietnamese already. The fact the Hispanics need tens of thousands of schools to teach in Spanish indicates a very large number of illegals to me at least. Way more than the apparently socially acceptable “about 10 million.”
was doing my yard the other day in PHX its brutal but even getting old keeps me grounded in a bit of hard work etc…
so many these days hire out my neighbors walk past getting mail say hello and was saying how the landscapers they use are having a hard time since its harder to employ the illegals and keep them here
my neighbors are super liberal but nice old folks so they do not get into the hate crap and are good neighbors
Good! Maybe we can get back to kids delivering papers and mowing lawns for a double sawbuck.
Thanks for that. I read the article and I’ll look in to the actual study.
The article mentioned anchor babies. My feelings are different on the subject than most of yours.
Much of life is determined by the birth lottery, where you are born, who you are born to.
From the beginning, folks born in the U.S. have been considered Americans. That is the way it should be. In that respect they won the birth lottery.
The way to handle the problem has several solutions:
- When deporting the family they have the choice whether to sever parental rights and leave their children who are citizens;
- If the citizen children leave the country we ensure through fingerprints and DNA (or whatever) that we can positively identify them as a U.S. citizen;
- Give them travel documents - a passport if they are old enough - and ensure they can get them renewed at the American Embassy or Consulates;
- While abroad they have the same protections as does any American Citizen;
- They (not mom and dad) can return to the United States at anytime just the same as any citizen
This does a couple of things: 1) ensures continuation of our historical practices and the law; 2) allows us to eff with Mexico or any other country these citizens return to; 3) will cause aneurysms among the Democrats.
Never happen, though.
That and they are not here to assimilate. Like the meme I posted above the impoverished illegal aliens from Mexico and Central America are being exploited to make the southwest US into Aztlán / República del Norte via the Reconquista.
Or how The University of Texas at Arlington professor Dr. Jose Angel Gutierrez the founder of the NCLR (National Council of La Raza) puts it; “the browning of America”.
Then there is always groups like Frente Nacionalista de México (Nationalist Front of Mexico) in play.
Immigration, while a worthy topic, is not this thread’s topic…
Trump doubled-down on Russia. Or is it isolating China? Or trolling? Or all three?
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/20/opinions/trumps-invite-to-putin-opinion-ghitis/index.html