Im not buying one, it came up in conversation and made me curious.
Didnt PSA have complete guns or kits for $399, ptac if I recall
Ptac is crap. People hate on PSA but apparently ptac is even worse.
Smith & Wesson M&P 15 Sport, $539. I bought one for $500. out the door not long ago and shot the hell out of it without one malfunction. If you’re going to buy something below a Colt then the M&P 15 Sport is the only one to get.
I 100% agree with S&W (I own two BCMs) , this was more general conversation, about ‘some’ AR’s being cheaper than glocks, etc
You can buy seperate uppers and lowers and combine them from PSA and get one that is actually made well for around $600.
Wasn’t Troy putting out decent “cheap” ARs not too long ago? Whatever happened to that?
That was probably minus the lower. But even then you can get an Anderson lower for $40-$50. You usually still need a rear sight and mags though.
They have one right now for $399. But officerX is right, even a kit + a lower isn’t a truly ready to shoot rifle. A Glock that comes with 3 mags is ready to go out to the range the moment you buy it.
They’re no longer cheap, and they’re shitty as f*ck.
In what way?
This isn’t locked yet? Lol
I just finished a PSA build, FN barrel mid length, the rest is mil-spec’ish. A2 front sight and a DD rear. I’m not an MOA shooter, especially not with iron sights but a friend does service rifle competitions. I’ll have him shoot it for accuracy but I haven’t had a hiccup.
He mentioned PTAC, PSA and PTAC are not the same brand, PSA is a better product over the PTAC. Ive built two PSA rifles and haven’t had a problem. Ive heard more problems out of the PTAC line than ive witnessed and heard out of the PSA line, in my opinion PSA needs to drop the PTAC offerings. Also they need to stick with a certain number of uppers instead of putting a million and one uppers up for sale. I purchased my 18" upper from them and i havent seen it up for sale in a long time.
From your comment PTAC is worse than PSA meaning PSA is too a lesser extent bad. PSA uses FN barrels and mil-spec HPT/MPI BCG and a mil-spec trigger pack less an auto sear. Everything else is furniture. The only difference between PSA and BCM BCG is PSA is batch tested and BCM is individually tested. Most likely BCM gets their barrels from FN as well meaning everything else on the gun are Lego parts!
Cough cough bullshit cough. You need to spend sometime educating yourself.
A buddy of mine has one and loves it. Never a problem and decent accuracy. No dust cover or forward assist, just a bare bones all business AR.
No from my comment i said people hate on psa but ptac is worse. Ive built two psa rifles and bought parts kits from them and i have no problem with them, they serve me well, im just saying that if people think psa is bad then they shouldnt touch the ptac stuff.
As far as the bcm vs psa goes, you are paying for quality assurence, brand name and finish. I dont believe that psa gets lower quality barrels from fn… When dealing with PSA its a hit and miss situation although from my experience ive had no quality or shipping problems, but i know some people have.
My comment was to the individual that was insinuating the PSA and BCM were of the same quality.
I know for some reason tapa talk screwed up but i responded to your comment too.
BCM has higher quality control, better assembly and MUCH better shipping and customer service than PSA. A CHF chrome lined barrel from FN vs a CHF chrome lined barrel from in all likelihood also FN, a MPI/HPT BCG per mil spec vs another of identical mil-spec are most likely um uh, about equal. Trigger, well BCM mostly uses a mil spec trigger. Now out of the box if my life depends on the rifle I’m grabbing the BCM, but after testing the PSA and making sure there’s no issues the two rifles are basically equal.