I’m building a rifle for a local PD SGT at his request. By his own admission he doesn’t know much about AR’s, and so is trusting my recommendations. He is looking for something better than his current issued Bushmaster with A2 upper. Here’s the parts list so far:
BCM Blem upper rec. (from BCM yesterday)
Daniel Defense 16" LW CHF carbine gas barrel with FSP (from Primary Arms yesterday)
BCM BCG (letting him have my spare)
PSA stripped lower receiver (letting him have my spare)
PSA lower build kit (ordered from PSA a couple weeks ago)
BCM H buffer (from BCM yesterday)
He says he wants a rail. I suggested to him that the MOE handguards might be the better way to go, but he was pretty dead set on a rail.
Currently he wants a VFG and a light on them. He mentioned something about a laser in the future as his reason for wanting a rail.
So here’s my question:
Is it better to go with a non-floating rail (KAC RAS, Surefire M73) that is likely to at least have picatinny spec rails, but is not free-floating, or better to go with a lower-quality free-floating rail (YHM, MI)?
How is he going to shoot it? If he’s never, ever going to fire past 25-50 Yards/Meters a KAC or Surefire (or any other good rail to hang stuff on) will more than serve his purposes.
Most won’t/can’t tell the difference between standard and free-float performance, period.
Troy isn’t an acceptable duty option in my opinion. I’m running one temporarily… but You can look down the rail from the back of the receiver and see the top rail on the Troy curve up.
The fucking extrusion isn’t even straight. :rolleyes:
I’d say he’ll need it out to 100 yds…fair bit of rural around the area. What sparked all of this was a call where guy with a gun came out of a building 75 yds away @ night. Iron sights, no lights, etc suck @ night when you’re trying to tell what the guy and his gun are doing.
You can get an 11" Troy Bravo Rail for $150 shipped. It’s free floating and rugged as can be. It weighs 13oz and uses the standard barrel nut. It installs exactly like the Troy Alpha Rail. I run it on my BCM and it’s top notch and extremely underrated. Anything else at that price point would be foolish, IMO. They are seriously a little known gem.
What Troy rail is this? Some old ass outdated model they do not make anymore? I’ve had a Troy Alpha Rail and Troy Bravo Rail and both are among the best rails I’ve used. Certainly the best in their price range. If yours is out of spec then why not have them replace it?
Troy has come a very long way with their free floating rails and tubes. Any of their new ones such as the Alpha, Bravo, Charlie, or Delta are all very high quality and priced very attractively. You should not pass judgement on products you have not used and make claims that they are not “acceptable for duty”. I would not hesitate for a second to run my Bravo Rail in the harshest of environments - it’s very comparable to the 12" Centurion C4 and less than half the price. In fact, I can’t think of one thing about the C4 that’s “better” unless you like the two piece design, same exact features otherwise.
I would get the Fortis rail. IT was available for $179 and close to his budget.
As for me, Free or not-free - not much difference except when you want to shoot Magpul Style - fully extended arm. Non-free float, on a carbine, you just don’t have enough room to fully extend.
I have quite a few in both styles and I can’t prove one way or another that free float improves “barrel harmonics” nor accuracy.
for that price range, i would just go with mi 2 piece free float. I got one of those in 12" variety and while it’s not my favorite, for the price i think it’s great. Mounts to a standard barrel nut and is extremely easy to install. Just clamp it to the nut and torque down 6 screws. Done. Couldn’t be easier.
Nah… it’s not one of those tubes… It’s some MRFX Niner bravo blah blah… I traded for it just because I needed a temporary handguard until I get me a Geissele and didn’t want to be cash out of pocket.
Most people wouldn’t even notice it… but I have some sort of OCD mind that likes perfect alignment, etc.
It’s too bad that it’s made by TROY because there’s some good design idea in the rail.
I agree with what you have stated. Talking to Troy at the Shot show they are trying to improve their products across the board. The new Alpha, Bravo, Charlie, Delta rails are upgrades over the previous models and have eliminated many of their weaknesses. I dont know if they are quite up to Centurion in overall fit and finish, but their mounting system is one of the better designs.
