In a recent thread that I unintentionally derailed I was challenged to prove (attempt to, anyways) that I could draw from my daily open carry rig faster than the challenger could draw from his concealed carry rig. The guidelines were simple: using a shot timer, draw and place a shot on a 3”x5” card from 25 feet.
I’m not one to back down from a fair challenge so I followed the rules and gave it my honest attempt. I used the following equipment: Glock 17 gen 2, S&W M&P40, and a Springfield Milspec model 1911 in .45ACP. These are all firearm which I regularly carry.
All pistols were drawn from similar leather thumb break retention holsters. I used a Pocket Pro timer and started with my hands up by my earmuffs. The stand shown in the picture is at 7 yards so I marked a line at 25’. I don’t expect to blow anyone away with my times but all times listed were for 5 sequential hits on paper. The last number is the average of the 5 shots.
I was marginally faster with the M&P over the Glock. I found the 1911 to be the slowest as I tried to be conscious about thumbing the safety off until after it was pointed in a safe direction. I know from use that I am most accurate with the 1911 but a hit is a hit, especially here. I am open to criticism, especially if it improves my abilities or technique.
Im not sure why you want to challenge draw times with some other poster, I can tell you that IME the difference between my CC and OC carry hovers around .20 seconds if that matters to you.
i have drawn from concealment, turned 180 degrees and made a headshot on IDPA target in under 2 seconds. not super accurate timing as it was a video of myself shooting after the fact. cant get shot times during a competition. that was a glock 17 in a SERPA paddle, jeans and a t shirt for concealment.
Redback One’s shooting standards are 1 shot on an 8" circle at 7 yards under two seconds (for the first stage of his standards) That’s really not too hard from concealment. Your times look pretty good.
Critique is hard to offer with the information provided, but as mentioned above video of you performing the drill would provide a good deal of information that could be much more easily critiqued.
I believe this phrase I’ve never heard comes into play here. I can take videos but my editing skill are in the dump. I will see what I can do, though.
I see that it was pretty weak of me to ask for critique with the info I provided and with no vids (I suppose that’s the critique). I shall return with vids and I will compare myself CC vs OC. While faster draw times were always a pro for why I open carry, I’ve never timed myself to see what the difference was. Thank you for the input thus far.
As for my drawstroke, I will describe it as:
-disengage retention mechanism
-draw upwards to remove from holster
-as soon as muzzle clears holster I rotate handgun to point toward target
-drive handgun outwards toward target, eventually aligning sights
I was the guy that challenged Lincoln7 and I think it’s fucking badass how he rose to the occasion. The challenge arose from a debate over his assertion that (correct me if I’m misremembering, L7) that open carry is better for him because of the speed of the draw. I challenged him to beat my times concealed (real concealment, not a stupid vest) to a 3x5 card at 25’.
His times from above just about mirror mine from concealment unless I’m very warmed up or just shit hot. One forum member ran the time for when I posted several 1.3 second times from concealment on this drill (VMI-MO).
I will try to get out to the range soon and get some more exacting times but I’m usually in the 1.8 second range cold and then start speeding up a bit. Of course, sometimes I’m in the 2 second range cold as well.
I don’t do a count. Appendix carry, untucked shirt, clear cover garment with weak hand, draw with strong hand, join hands into proper grip as strong hand with pistol rises vertically, orient with somewhat high muzzle to catch visibility of front sight, press out to full extension while keeping front sight and target in my sight picture.
I have a sorry video of me attempting the Triple Nickel for the first time that might show this.
I see similar performance out of my new daily carry (and competition and training) JRC AIWB-CDA horsehide holster.
Either holster is phenomenal in comfort and retention but I give the nod to the JRC simply because of its superior heat shielding during long range sessions.
Either manufacturer will NOT pull shenanigans like some other holster manufacturers do. They will not take your money unless the gear is ready to ship. I have no business ties with either one and paid for my holsters out of pocket, full price.
My mistake. I read it as 25 yards for some reason. :jester:
I wanna try this now. The staff at my indoor range does not allow me to lower the shooting tray. Not sure if I want to risk hitting it while drawing from concealment.
