thought I would say I have helped out a LEO with a person they were trying to get under control and was not going so well for the LEO
I asked and said do you want help !!! he said YES PLEASE
quickly got him(bad guy) under control approached from the head and choked him out the cop was kinda over the back of him trying to get his hands behind his back once locked up the LEO was a bit pushy to me I felt ? literally shoved me out of the way ? I am sure adrenaline running and in that situation dont blame him but no thanks more just haul the guy off and I walked away
kinda thought I should have gotten a thanks at least but oh well I would do it again
also my reasons for going from the front was not to have the officer have some other guy he did not know behind him !
glad I was their as I have a feeling the cop would have lost that one
I’m not asking anyone to prove anything. I was mostly just curious about how most CCW guys (especially on this forum) felt about these sorts of things.
On #2 and #3 I “most likely” would do some kind of intervention. I just don’t know exactly what to say that would be from contacting LE help to an actual physical altercation. It just completely depends on the specific situation.
just spilling my thoughts just seemed like you wanted more from my first answer so just saying what I was thinking
I think age and experience and having kids and such has influence on these things !
If I could help, I’d help. If I couldn’t, then I wouldn’t. I have no desire to find myself in a shootout but in all three situations, if I was armed then I’d get involved.
Too many variables come into play with these scenarios. I participated in force-on-force training in which what looked to be the aggressor ended up being the individual who was initially attacked and was merely trying to defend themselves or trying to get away.
I’ve also been in a scenario where the individual who seemed to be the attacker was a Police officer trying to effect the arrest of a violent criminal (who was calling for help).
I have also come across a real life situation where Officers were trying to arrest someone while there were other individuals standing around and yelling at them. Even though I carried the badge myself all I did was stand between the Officers and the bystanders whose intention may not be so good.
Even then the Officers involved did not recognize who I was which means they probably viewed me as a threat. As it turned out all I ended up doing was collecting the radios, batons and OC sprays that fell out of their duty belts during the struggle.
Be very careful of what you insert yourself into, you may find yourself in the middle of a crossfire and maybe helping the wrong side. JM2CW.
Well, here’s my take from an average joe point of view.
Just because the person has a uniform on doesn’t mean they’re the real thing. For all you know he could be a serial killer impersonating a LEO, and his assailants are plainclothes cops.
Yes, probably a little far fetched but I’ve heard of similar things.
Hell no! As someone already stated, jumping in the middle of someone elses’ gunfight is a good way to get shot by everybody.
Unless I know something they don’t, or have a big scary armored vehicle to diffuse the situation with…:ph34r:
Depends on the situation.
For all I know, the guy could have been the armed agressor two seconds ago. Then again…
As far as anything of this sort goes, I think I would be very wary of getting into anything unless myself, or a family member/close friend was immediately involved. Or the situation is very clear cut.
I would pick number one. Two, and three as well… IF I saw how they started out, or if it was blindingly obvious that it was a robbery or, an attack on an elderly person, or a kid.
Why do I always get the impression that you just can’t wait to unleash some sort of samurai sword play or a hail of bullets on the first guy that gives you a reason?
In the world of internet bravado and gusto, you lose.
I follow the same rule though. Having been shot at in the past makes me wish to avoid gunplay if at all possible. Which (drifting OT) is one of the reasons I think most tactical firearms training is terribly flawed as most instructors seem to have a military mindset to firefights. I’m going to be using my firearm to break engagement, not advance and “finish the fight” as is (or at least used to be) so frequently taught. The emphasis on rifles in defense is flawed to me as well. The much quoted, “A pistol is for fighting to your rifle” (or something similar), and the, “If you’re using a pistol you’ve already failed” is just asinine to me. I only occasionally have a rifle in my vehicle, if I get to my vehicle whether I have a rifle or not I’m not going to deploy the fucking gun, I’m getting in and egressing. Victory for the armed citizen is life, not “putting down the baddie.” More often than not victory for the armed citizen involves knowing when to GTFO.
Option one for me is to (almost) always run away from trouble. Sure it’s possible to concoct a hypothetical scenario in which I’d come to aid in a fight, but my first inclination when there is a fight, regardless of who is involved, is to run away.
I feel like many of the other posters here: No matter what you would be putting yourself at risk by responding to any armed conflict that could be avoided. Also there are lots of grey areas inherent that make it hard to just say “yes I would engage”, (who are the bad guys, what is actually taking place here etc).
BUT
As per the details specified in the op, I have a dialed 1911 and spare mag AND have my favorite AR in my hands, am under cover and can move to an advantageous position with clear opportunity to engage? Unless there are just too many gunman to subdue I would expect to be able to neutralize that situation pretty quickly.
That said and with a grain of salt added for the “undetermined variables”: #1 definitely, #2 not unless I knew the defender and/or the violence spread to unarmed peeps, and #3 probably and especially if there are kids or elderly involved.
I’m no macho commando, but I train to be effective and efficient with my weapons. Given the details noted I think you could end that situation quickly and chalk one up for the good guys. Flame on…
but oh well I would do it again