…forged upper and lower saved my pretty face…but I will not shoot this shit again…
Needless to say, they DO NOT stand behind their product…:mad:
Mace
27 August 2006?
I would disagree with your “needless to say” part… get the word out about their reaction.
Could you tell us about their response? Was it just a big “FU, not our problem” when you contacted them?
Edit: Glad you’re okay!
Mace,
A .45 acp round of remanufactured ammo from Houston Cartridge Company blew up a Les Baer Custom pistol I had back in 2000 or 2001, it took me close to a year to get Houston Cartridge Company to pay for a new pistol.
Even though they paid for a replacement, they still never took responsiblity for the damage their round did to my pistol.
Even after the work had been done, Houston Cartridge Company stated that Les Baer was nothing more than a shade tree gunsmith and that his pistol fired out of battery, thus causing the kaboom. This was not the case, but this is how far Houston Cartride Company went in deneying that a round of their ammo caused a kaboom to my gun, and damage to my hand and face.
The moral to this story…Don’t expect them to come forward and claim responsibility…it can adversly effect their sales…thus they will deney everything to the end.
Good luck
Semper Fi,
Jeff
Disagree?
I know of 3 other dudes who had KaBooms and they all got the same reaction. The owner who I spoke to said that this “never” happened before, when in fact: I was there when the 1st one happened and was reported 2 mos before mine!
I had 2 top tier builders, very well respected in the AR gunsmith community, state that it was IN FACT the ammo.
I am trying to spread the word now. Things happen, but stand behind your product. They DON’T.
Mace
Before you get all preachy, you might want to include in your original post all the particulars. You know, when you bought the ammo and where. When the kB happened. When you contacted GA. What their response was. Etc.
Before you get all preachy
Huh?
That’s crazy man i have a few hundred rounds of their ammo left for my RRA. Needless to say I wont buy from them anymore their prices went up big time too. I have shot at least 3K rounds of their canned heat and never had a problem.
It seems like every time there is a KB with ammo. The manufacturers always try to say the rifle fired out of battery. Starting to sound like a broken record.
I’m not questioning your story, just the assertion that there’s no need to say how GA doesn’t stand behind their product, as if we all know the background of your post-kaBoom interactions with them. Your statements above are helpful towards providing us that background. Thanks.
#1: May '06 Purchased 20K rounds for me and my bros to train with
#2: June '06 My bros carbine KaBooms with the stuff in a Carbine course…
#3: GA is contacted that same week and tells my bro that if it is found that it is there ammo, they will take care of it no problem
#4: Carbine is packaged up and sent to a top notch builder, who states that the ammo casing is clearly GA’s, whats left of it.
#5: July '06 Curtis of GA and the builder have gone back and forth but every call made after the first couple of phone calls is NOT returned.
#6: August '06 My carbine KaBooms using GA Canned Heat. I contact Curtis with complete details, pics of the carbine and heastamp that is CLEARLY his. I am very patient and accomodate all of his wishes to prove that it is HIS AMMO.
I send my carbine to the same respected builder, who in fact, contacted another top builder and both conclude the ammo is GA Canned Heat and was the cause of the KaBoom.
Per company policy, I called all my bros and collected all the ammo and sent it back, for a full refund of the remaining ammo.
#7: September, October '06 After many calls and debate, Curtis denies that it is his ammo, STILL. Bullshit. I told him that I just want my carbine paid for and we can go our separate ways. He initially wanted to only pay for 50%. Bullshit man…I am still being cordial, because you can get more with honey than you can with vinegar.
#8: I am fighting to get my carbine paid for and my bros, since I ordered the ammo. I ate the cost for shipping and DROS’ing a new lower. Finally, out of “goodwill, but no claim of responsibility” they paid for 90% of both our carbines.
GA = Bad business practices. They claim to sell 100K of ammo per week, but can’t take care of a customers carbine because of their poor QA?
Shit breaks, no problem. If they would have taken care of it ASAP, no harm, no foul. I know of 4 carbines that KaBoomed with their ammo.
I will never do business with them again.
Mace,
Glad your ok and didn’t have worse happen to you.
I stopped shooting other peoples reloads because of those types of things and will only shoot factory or the loads I make.
I had a strange mini boom shooting reloads through my Ruger P85 MKII back in the late 80’s, just trying to save a few bucks. What happened at the range was while I was shooting these reloads I got a strange report, not a boom, kind of like a pop with lots of blue smoke like I was shooting black powder.
The other shooters and the RO looked and wondered what happened. I stripped and checked the Ruger and all was fine thank God! I shit canned those reloads right on the spot and went out later and bought a Dillon square deal for 9mm and started doing my own and swore to never shoot other peoples reloads period from that day on.
Good luck on trying to get what you can fixed!
Robert
I just emailed them to cancel a recently placed order; hope is hasn’t shipped yet 'cause it’s heading right back.
In conclusion: They did cut a check for me and my bros carbines. We each had to pay about $200 out of pocket.
They are basically (2) new carbines. As a customer, I should not have had to pay a dime. Live and learn. I hope you all have learned from my tough lesson. Also, a well built carbine will hold up fo you.
Mace
Thanks for the information Mace. I guess another source of ammo has probably disappeared in these already dry times. It’s a good thing that I’ve been able to find a case of BH every now and then.
BTW, I thought that you were a lover of all things M1A?
BTW, I thought that you were a lover of all things M1A?
True dat! M1A is my main stick…but only a fool would not know the value of a well built AR…
What I have learned from men better than myself: Right tool, for the right job.
PS. 7.62 x 51 is SKYROCKETING IN PRICE…
Mace
That’s why I never did get an M1A despite my pestering you for advice awhile back. Maybe sometime we’ll actually meet at a Tactical Response course and you can school me on the finer points of this rifle.
Glad to hear you are no worse for the wear from you CH experience.
[QUOTE][That’s why I never did get an M1A/QUOTE]
:eek:
My solution: Dillon RL550B inbound!
Mace
Many gun shops/ individuals are getting into the comercial end of reloading ammo due to the increasing prices. As of late two of the local shops near me are selling .223 that was loaded in house as fast as they can get it out. I raised the question to one of them are they willing to pay for a 3k + AR when one of thier reloads goes Ka-boom ? I got a blank stare.
I suspect this is the reaction of many smaller reloading setups.
Stay away from reloads that are not your own. Especially RIFLE ammo, the Ka-booms are much bigger.
Damn! :eek:
I’m really disappointed to see how GA is handling these issues.
Thanks for sharing your experience, I shoot a lot of Canned Heat and I will be looking for another source of cheap brass cased ammo…
Dangit. I dont want to hear this. Glad your OK Mace. I just got hooked on canned heat earlier this year by a couple of friends who have been shooting it a lot for a year or so now. I shot about 500 rounds in a class a couple of months ago, as did a friend, with no issues. Just shot another 250 or so of it today with no issues. What bugs me though is that I still have about 1500 rounds of it and have a couple of friends with a few cases as well, and it only takes one round…as your pics show.
What bugs me most though, is hearing how they handled things. I believe that anything and everything man made can and will fail at some point. What I look for, as do you, is for a company to stand behind things if and when something does go south. Bad ju-ju based on what your saying.
This is disturbing!
I know Dinger and I have probably been through 6000-8000 rounds between the two of us (he more I) and I still have 2K left in the garage. I might just stroll down to the gun show tomorrow and ask them about these problems and how they are handling them.