No, they are not going to poke it with a 10’ pole. The reason why is that all airport travel would be immediately suspended as soon as such a ruling came down the pipe - just like what happened in the days after 9/11. The feds would pull all air traffic controllers and any other services that facilitate airline travel while such a ruling existed. Not to mention the fact that no foreign country would allow US planes to enter their airspace under such conditions.
While many Americans may not like the TSA’s performance, you will be hard pressed to find more than a small fraction of the population wanting to do away with all airport screenings. There will never be a day in our lifetime when you can board a commercial plane without submitting to some form of search.
Agreed. I think the main issue is the .gov doing it instead of the airlines, who did it pre-TSA. The invasiveness of the search itself will continue to be regulated by the .gov as before, whether it’s the TSA or the FAA. Most of the TSA detractors either fail to provide a better alternative, or tout the Israeli model, which is an oversimplification because it covers one airport and one airline.
I’d like to see a better alternative, I just haven’t yet.
I flew this weekend and had no problems on either flight. A TSA agent even brought me my watch today when I started to walk off without picking it up. He was polite and thanked me for flying. I also had a checked weapon that made it through without a problem or cause for delay. I’m not saying that a private security firm would not be better, but I should at least acknowledge the good with the bad.
BTW, here is a chart of the background radiation from the body scanners vs various medical and environmental sources.
Its an UNREASONABLE SEARCH. I believe its is unreasonable for some rent-a-cop to stick their hands down my pants or take nude photographs of me. I have a reasonable expectation of privacy concerning people taking nude photos and fondling my balls.
But hey, if you’re ok with pedaphilia, groping, unlawful searches, ect keep supporting it. They cant even catch anyone anyway lol. How many “terrorists” have the TSA caught??? ZERO
Fact is if i did the same thing to someone boarding a bus i’d be arrested. Hell, even law enforcement cant get away with this shit. They have to have probable cause/arrest someone to do an actual search of their person (not just a terry frisk).
But let me guess 9/11 makes it ok. They can start anal probing everyone with a one way ticket because 9/11 right?
Spot on…I just wanted to highlight the very last, most important part of your post in red.
It is meant to make people feel safe and secure, to re-enforce the commitment of the government to protect it’s citizens…………
The heated debates I was involved in in regards to the violations of peoples rights were phenomenal. Again, it all falls back to “Implied Consent.” There’s no way around it. Here’s how it works…
You buy a plane ticket
You show up to a FEDERAL SECURITY CHECKPOINT
That’s it…
My recommendation to you all…DON’T BUY A PLANE TICKET AND FLY.
I’m not saying that to be a dick, but it’s the solid truth. Not every airport is the same. Some are good and some aren’t. Some employees are good and some aren’t.
As for the x-ray machines…Ask DHS why they refuse to issue dosimeter badges to the x-ray operators or even to the TSO force as a whole…
Inflammatory and inaccurate rhetoric aside, I guess you missed the part where SCOTUS ruled that an administrative search prior to entering the sterile area of an airport does not violate the 4th Amendment, before TSA and 9/11 ever happened. It seems to me that you’re:
(a) angry about the .gov doing the search instead of the airline
(b) angry about the extent of the search
(c) angry that terrorists have targeted the aviation sector
(d) just venting with no particular point
In any case, I’d say you’re not a good candidate for scheduled passenger air travel. I’d recommend that you avoid it at all costs.
Found this cartoon on a site I just discovered, http://www.chickenwingscomics.com If you have any experience in aviation, you get a kick out of the cartoon strips.
It’s a good comment on Airport Insecurity. I’d rather take my chances with the terrorists
An administrative search is different then what they are doing currently.
Prior to 9/11 you had the option to opt out of the checks and leave. Try that today after you put your property down on the table…
It has gone from an administrative search to an illegal search and seizure of property.
Name me any Law Enforcement (Local, State, Federal) entity that is able to walk up to you, demand to see your papers, inspect all personal property and seize said property they think is dangerous without any proof to back it up. It’s pure speculation they are using rather than facts. Some people like to look right past that part…
More misinformation. You did and still do have the option to opt out of the checks. You could not then and cannot now opt out once the the checks have begun. That’s so people cannot probe the system for weaknesses and simply walk away when what they’re trying doesn’t work.
It’s still an administrative search in the eyes of the law and your protestations otherwise mean nothing.
It’s not an illegal seizure of property either. If it’s a legal item, you have multiple options to keep it such as mail it to yourself, take it back to the car, give it to someone seeing you off, checking it in checked baggage, etc. If it’s illegal, TSA doesn’t seize it, the local LE agency does, same as any other administrative search discovery.
Also, you walk up to them, not vice versa. Want a federal LE agency that does the same thing? U.S. Marshals Service. Ever go into a federal courthouse? Yep, security screening. Here’s the kicker, you may not have an option to leave from there if your attendance is compelled. Yet the stakes are higher at the airport. Nothing you might carry into a federal courthouse will crash the building. Not so with an airplane.
As for papers, you cannot get on a commercial flight without a boarding pass, which is all you need. You don’t even need ID, but you’ll have to undergo a more thorough search if you don’t have it.
TSA does some stupid shit, no doubt about it. But spreading misinformation does more damage to the discourse and doesn’t help get things changed.
I’ve done it. Until you or your property crosses the threshold that is the metal detector, you can back out of the search. Back in 2002 when I was working the Checkpoint Security, a lot of people were given the option to take their property and check it in with their airline, hand it to a family member who is not flying with them, or lock in in their vehicles that were in long term parking.
Oh, I dare them to try it in my town. I’ll load the whole safe up and have my buddies tail me with a camera until they decide to search my car. Can you imagine the look on that TSA high-school dropout’s face when he opens the trunk to two AR’s with mounted suppressors and me in the driver’s seat in full battle rattle?
:lol:
I kid, I kid. But in all seriousness, my evil black truck gun of death might freak them out a bit…
Well sorry, i’ll never be ok with sexual assault, or violatiing constitutional rights. Apparently YOU are ok with molestation, sexual assault, groping, ect the list goes on…thats fine.
Nor will i be ok with the federal govt. hiding behind “the terrorists are going to get you” bullshit. Because thats what it is, bullshit.
Mostly due to the profile aspect?? Not wanting to compare their little corner of dirt in the same eyes as ours…you just never hear of similar complaints.
I didn’t like air travel before 9/11 but it really sticks in my craw now…not sure how my rocket man boss deals with it as a way of life.
According to the articles, passengers traveling through Israeli security can be detained for questioning and invasive searches. It appears that travelers cannot simply leave once the questioning begins which is very different than in the US.
Apparently your definitions of sexual assault and molestation differ from mine (and that of the law and SCOTUS decision). As I stated, it seems you were/are ok with private companies performing the searches, but not the government? If you believe the searches violate the 4th Amendment, why should it matter who’s doing the violating? Did you protest the searches prior to 9/11 and the TSA? As for your question, how would I know? How would you know? Besides, shouldn’t the question be “how many terrorist acts has the TSA prevented?” Wouldn’t that be a more relevant question to the discussion? We already know how many terrorist acts the previous screening system didn’t prevent after all.
All i have to do is read the statues for sexual assault. The TSA commits sexual assault everytime they “pat” someone down. They grab peoples genitalia, thats sexual assault. (you my find it pleasurable, most do not)
Btw just in case you didnt know, no where in the Constitution does it state that the scotus has the power for judicial review. They dont have that power. It was created out of thin air…but thats a whole other topic.
What the TSA does on a daily basis is not only disgusting and immoral, its against the law.
You really think that is ok? You’re ok with patting down 6yr olds? Taking diapers off of todlers and grannies?
You’re ok with TSA hwy checkpoints? Maybe next they can start wearing swastikas…or use drones…that would work better!!! People that go along with this are either very mentally ill, or just plain stupid.
I’ve freely admitted they do some stupid shit, but your use of hyperbole and extreme examples, doesn’t bolster your credibility. I fly all the time and I’ve yet to have a screener “grab” my genitalia. Recent airports include TUL, DFW, ORD, MIA, BDL, LAS and MEM. When was the last time you flew? At which airport did they grab yours? Outside some Texas legislators stumping for reelection, no one has recommended prosecution for sexual assault. By your definition, every annual medical exam by MD’s (also voluntary) is sexual assault, with no intervening cloth barriers I might add. Care to show how many of those result in sexual assault prosecutions?
As for TSA highway checkpoints:
Tuesday, October 25, 2011
Myth Buster: TSA Not Setting Up Checkpoints On Tennessee Highways
Depending on what inaccurate blog post you may have read, you would think that TSA has checkpoints set up all across Tennessee’s highways. That’s just simply not the case. In fact, it’s really startling to see how off base some of the claims have been.
As part of an ongoing terrorism prevention and response program, the Tennessee Department of Safety and Homeland Security hosted a statewide exercise on October 18-20, 2011. TSA participated through its Visible Intermodal Prevention and Response program. The exercise focused on improving the communications and operating relationships of state, local, and federal agencies when responding to any type of homeland security situation.
TSA VIPR personnel participated at multiple locations in the Tennessee exercise, supporting state and local personnel as they inspected vehicles to identify potential security threats.
In addition, Transportation Security Officers were in attendance to provide information including a leaflet to truck drivers at weigh stations about TSA’s First Observer program that encourages drivers to report potentially suspicious activity or items they see on the road.
TSA officers did not physically screen drivers during this exercise as erroneously reported. The actual vehicle inspections were conducted by the Tennessee State Highway Patrol just the same as they are done every day.
BTW, nice job Godwining the thread AND name calling in one paragraph! Your posts on the subject read like a thesis on intellectually dishonest debate tactics. Coupled with your lack of spell check, correct punctuation and syntax, you’ve effectively destroyed your own credibility on the subject.
I hope you’ll write your congressman and senators with your views, since they’re the ones responsible for and capable of changing TSA policy and procedure. Just do us a favor and leave the emotional histrionics out.
