https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/5635249/Bump-Stock-Final-Rule.pdf
Are we winning yet?
Old news.
I see long lines of bump stock owners turning them in to ATF.
NOT.
So much for Trump’s hope of re-election.
I think his caving on shutting down the government over the border wall did that all by itself.
The bump stock ban effects a tiny minority of the electorate, sort of like when the Stryker Streetsweeper shotgun was ruled a destructive device.
What is interesting is they changed the legal definition of a machinegun which is in statute!?!?
There are a LOT more BS’s in circulation than Streetsweepers, which weren’t banned and expected to be destroyed or turned over without remuneration. This goes beyond the 2nd Amendment and constitutionalists are going to have a field day with it.
I’m not saying I absolutely won’t vote for him regardless of who the Dems put up, but I damned sure won’t vote for him in the primary (as I didn’t in 2016).
I do agree that if he caves on the wall, he’s also toast on that. If we don’t have a substantial set of physical barriers to at least create choke points more easily controlled by CBP in 2019, Trump is done.
They didn’t change it, they just reinvented it. :rolleyes:
Except -
- They really were DDs by definition.
- They were allowed to be registered, not destroyed.
Trump’s margins of victory are so tight, he cannot lose a single vote. I too do not see how he gets re-elected given the totality of ****-ups on his part. He seems to be pissing off all voters, one small group at a time.
While I’m mad about the whole thing, I’m actually slightly madder about the “coerced surrender of private property without compensation” than I am from a 2A perspective. Hell even if they were compensating owners… the owners surrendering their property are only doing so under the threat of action by the State if they don’t comply, so that’s not legitimate consent to the transaction in my book.
Pretty disgusting and honestly exactly what I’ve come to expect from this country nowadays.
I dont see this holding up in court. It says right in the first paragraph
shooterof a semiautomatic firearm to initiate a continuous firing cycle with a single pull ofthe trigger.
allows the trigger to reset
Blatant, easily quantified co tradiction.
1.its a semi
2. Define continuous firing cycle
3. If it resets, its not a single pull of the trigger.
Also binary triggers are not affected.
The announcement is 157 pages. I skimmed it, and was not surprised to find it 100% BS. It could have been written by Chuck Schumer or his lackeys. A number of meaningful legal questions raised in comments are dismissed out of hand, the obvious meaning being that Trump (or Sessions, but I assume Trump) said “do this” without interest in debate.
FWIW the most legally sound challenges, in my view, are the ex-post-facto law and the regulatory taking without compensation. There is a 2A angle but I think that’s weaker than the other objections.
It’s signed by acting AG Whittaker, the supposed awesome guy who’s going to save the “Q” faithful. You could argue he’s merely doing his ministerial duty, but it certainly doesn’t look like he’s going to stand up to legally problematic, if not downright unconstitutional, orders.
I fearlessly predict litigation on behalf of bump-stock owners and manufacturers, ultimately resulting in no change whatsoever to the rule and its requirements. Various courts have issued injunctions against Trump doing things that he had a 100% constitutional right to do, so I don’t see any court likely to go against an agency action that tramples individual rights. But if I were trying, I’d try in the 5th Circuit.
- There is no ex-post facto issue. Nobody will be prosecuted for having the stock prior to it being illegal to have.
- The compensation issue is a little tricker, COTUS is silent, but there are Case Law issues.
Is it important to note that the first sentence reads:
The Department of Justice is amending the regulations of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF)
Maybe a subtle sign this didn’t really please the folks at BATFE?
Agreed, and the biggest impediment will be some publicity seeking internet blog lawyer filing in a poorly chosen district.
Slidefire should file in the 5th with legal guidance from SAF.
I hope not a single one is turned in. Peaceful non compliance should be the status quo from here on out.
If any of you are inclined to surrender your legally purchased private property (Bump Stocks), I have located the official address. You must use the US Government Postal Service Priority Mail large flat box. Send it to:
Donald John Trump, Temporary Custodian
1600 Pennsylvania Ave NW
Washington, DC 20006
Not to mention now the WH is calling for gun confiscation laws.
Oh yeah, vote for trump they say, he will protect us they say.
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