After stripping my wife’s LMT down to a minimal (KISS?), she still has problems with the forward weight. She has been turned on to bullpups as a possible replacement for the LMT. She prefers the looks of the new AUG/A3 (as do I) but she was able to handle a FN F2000 at the last gun show (no AUG’s there). She really liked the weight/balance of the FN vs her LMT. She still thinks she would prefer the AUG. For those of you that own either, or both, what advice, thoughts, tips, tricks or any other input would you offer to us?
The AUG/A3 is really inexpensive these days so that or the FN PS90 is the way to go. My gf loves the FS2000 but its too much for her. She fired a PS90 and it was perfect…
Personally, I hate bullpups.
So, if I suddenly had trouble with the weight of an M4 I would try to make a lightweight build.
However, if she is set on a bullpup, then 99% of the time the best answer is to just get her a bullpup.
Just be prepared for the drawbacks of a bullpup and train accordingly.
My 16" lightweight BCM upper with VTAC TRX feels lighter and less bulky than my FS2000 or an AUG.
If you are considering a new rifle, I would highly recommend going that
route. You may even consider getting a 14.5" bbl with a permanently attached muzzle device to cut the weight a little more.
My recommendation would be the MSAR STG E4. AUG look, feel, etc. but you aren’t forced to buy proprietary mags. All the AR mags you own will work in her gun and your AR.
I would highly recommend that you look seriously at a lightweight AR carbine build.
However, like F2S said, ultimately, if she wants a bullpup, get her a bullpup.
The fact that she’s 1) a shooter and 2) interested in practical carbines is definitely something to cultivate.
Im in the same boat and I have thought of going the bullpup route for the wife as well. My LMT piston is to heavy for her to toss around for more than 1 mag and she losses intrest.
I am going to do a DD barrel with the troy extream battle rail try and cut the weight where ever I can. Thinking of using alot of MAGPULL parts as they are light and giving her 20 rnd p mags. Aimpoint T1 or Trijicon RMR.
Jon
That’s my thoughts on it as well.
I’d be happy with just 1, but both?
Don’t worry about bullpup or otherwise, find what she likes using (preferably by trying it before buying) and get her practicing with it. Then thank God you have a wife who will shoot and wants to have a carbine.
How about doing a lightweight SBR for her?
What are some of the drawbacks to the bullpup? I’m interested in learning more and think it’s applicable to this thread to list some of them. Thanks.
- Shooting support side can put brass in your face unless it has a different ejection system (PS90, FS2000, Kelteck’s weird rifle.) or reversible for lefties.
- Reloads are a bit more involved. Some that I’ve shot don’t drop the magazine free. I believe the newer AUG-ish rifles have fixed that problem though.
- FS2000 is bulky, as in wide at the rear end and where support hand goes.
- Magazines for some AUG-ish rifles are proprietary, newer versions accept USGI AR-15 magazines.
There’s a few to start with, all which can be overcome, but things to consider. As in, is she going to be shooting support side, or is this a rifle for her to plink with? My wife likes to shoot the PS90 because of the weight and lack of recoil vs. my AR’s being to heavy.
Thanks Zhurdan. My wife’s a lefty so there would be some major drawbacks for her. She doesn’t mind shooting the 10.5" SBR so I just won’t bring up bullpups to her in the future.
As I get her more trigger time I’m sure her thoughts will change/evolve with experience. I’ve seen her really struggle with the LMT when I had a full kit on it.
KAC RAS
Surefire G2
Aimpoint ML2
GGG VFG
Troy BUIS
Sopmod stock
Now I’ve got the full kit on my 6920 and plan to replace the ARMS mount with a Larue, ADM or Bobro soon.
Yet she still has problems with the LMT’s weight even now that it is stripped down. She seems pretty set on a bullpup, especially the AUG. I may try to get her one with next years tax return. I just hope it is as reliable as the Colt and LMT have been. I expect it to be, I just worry a little bit when going from a known system to an unknown system (unknown to me).
I would like too, but I’m a little turned off from the added expense and red tape of a SBR. I’d rather big brother not know what I own. That may be overthinking things but I’ve always felt that way.
Suggestions:
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Very lightweight AR build
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Steyr AUG in lefty set up for her
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FN PS90
She doesn’t shoot support side, she’s not that comfortable. It has been a chore to get her to shoot pistols weak hand. It also is not primarily for plinking, it will be her primary go to rifle. I’ve also not considered the PS90 because of the “weak” round it fires and we also have a few thousand 5.56 stocked up. I’ve made her aware of the mag difference, but she isn’t concerned with reload speed and ease of operation. She also likes the idea of 42 rnd mags for the AUG. I belive she is on the road to an AUG, I just hope I don’t miss something that will cause undue problems with it.
Well, the FS 2000 is about as ambi as you can get, and it takes M16 mags (just not Pmags).
A 14.5" carbine with a lightweight Daniel Defense or Bravo Co. barrel with a permanently attached flash suppressor to bring it up to 16", with a lightweight handguard set, an Aimpoint Micro in a DD mount, would go a looooong way towards taking the front heaviness off of her and letting her shoot comfortably and confidently.
Also, take a look at the Clyde Armory Colt 6720…
I don’t think you’re overthinking. I don’t like SBRs for the same reason (mostly the red tape - my main objection is how one SBR can become the “masterkey” to see the rest of the collection).
She doesn’t shoot support side, she’s not that comfortable. It has been a chore to get her to shoot pistols weak hand. It also is not primarily for plinking, it will be her primary go to rifle. I’ve also not considered the PS90 because of the “weak” round it fires and we also have a few thousand 5.56 stocked up. I’ve made her aware of the mag difference, but she isn’t concerned with reload speed and ease of operation. She also likes the idea of 42 rnd mags for the AUG. I belive she is on the road to an AUG, I just hope I don’t miss something that will cause undue problems with it.
Don’t push her to shoot support side/weak side too much. Better she be proficient one way than not nearly as proficient either way when she stops coming as often (or altogether) from not wanting to shoot weak side. Yes, support side shooting is a good skill to have, but I’d rather see a shooter only good with one side than no shooter.
Read a little on the AUGs, and don’t worry too much on it. They’re good rifles, and the only real complaint I’ve ever heard about them is the proprietary magazines (which, based on the 42 rounds, suggests to me she actually wants them).
That is a REDICULUSLY untrue statement.
LOP is long on the bullpups, make sure that isn’t an issue.
I’d look at the MSAR E4 to keep mags the same, no reason to supply two types of mags for “go to” guns if you don’t have to.
Is the E4 or AUG NATO stock compatible with the current AUG?