I don’t EXPECT anything. I WISH that all the silly crap we mostly worry about on the internet was instead directed towards that goal.
Seems everyone with a gun I talk to has a “researched opinion” on their choice of 9mm vs. .45, I’m just wondering why the same dipshits can’t put the same effort into four simple rules.
Actually, it is 50:50 protection of society and punishment. However, I’m not in the least bit surprised that you would not acknowledge the punishment aspect.
As for this guy “not being dangerous,” a dead 7-year old might disagree with you…
is it just me… or has there not been a sign that states all firearms entering the premises are to be unloaded and cased… in practically every gun store on the planet… to prevent this exact scenario…
at least there has been in every single gun store/range I’ve ever been to in my life…
thus… had he followed those simple rules… that were more than likely posted… his weapon would not have been loaded in the first place…
Ok. :rolleyes:
Kinda what I think why was it even pointed at him ?
So he brought a loaded handgun to sell into the store ?
So at his home knowing he was going to sell it never cleaned and checked it ?
Never double checked it before he was going to sell it !
When I used to buy and sell guns a lot they always went into the store in a gun case never open carried them ever !
And no way would I give a loaded gun to a guy behind the counter ! YIKES
Pointed it at his son when getting in and had his finger on the trigger
Man so so so so sad for the little kid and family
Part of me wonders if the guy joked around and pointed it at his kid thinking it was unloaded and pulled the trigger ?
While beyond stupid what he did was beyond stupid ! And I have heard of idiots doing that before as a joke pointing so called unloaded guns at friends or handling loaded guns and they go off
Tragic and completely avoidable. RIP little man. 
We’ve discussed your admittedly liberal social tendencies, so don’t get offended.
BTW, how was that Bama game last week…Eh?
Doesn’t mean you should always bring them up in a critical manner. I don’t critique your obvious conservative ideology.
BTW, how was that Bama game last week…Eh?
Meh.
If someone gets in a car wreck by their own negligence do they get a pass if they kill someone in the car they were driving ?
Obviously the guy has no clue where he points his weapon
So lets imagine you were in the parking lot and he shot your child by accident !
Which honestly could have easily happened with what the article said anyone who points a loaded gun at their own child is dangerous to others IMHO
Would those who feel killing his kid is punishment enough just say hey its OK you shot my kid it was a accident ! That punishment enough to live with !
I can not imagine shooting my own kid ! I could not live with myself
So not saying he is not suffering but does not change facts he was negligent
If he is so stupid to accidentaly shoot his kid he might be a danger to others especially in such a distraught state !
I get where some are coming from.
If this is any kind of decent guy there is NOTHING we can do to him that he isn’t already doing to himself. But that works both ways, if he truly is that remorseful it won’t matter what happens to him, like somebody else mention some would turn the gun on themselves at that point.
That said, it’s not something were you just say “oops” and “he’s been punished enough” because there are plenty of dipshits out there who cause exactly this sort of tragedy because they are careless fucktards.
When some stupid bitch leaves her baby in the car at the shopping mall and the baby dies, without exception she is always shown on the news crying her eyes out and extremely remorseful and people line up by the dozens to suggest she should get a pass and that she has been punished enough.
I happen to disagree.
If you have a baby, there is no ACCEPTABLE excuse to forgetting your baby has been left in the car. If you cannot do that one thing then DO NOT have a baby.
By the same token, I’m pretty forgiving and accept that not everyone is a highly trained Delta operator when it comes to guns and I don’t feel anyone needs specialized training to own a gun. I would prefer that everyone be instructed and practice to become a safe shooter but I don’t want it to be a requirement.
That said, I think EVERYONE who owns a gun needs to KNOW and ABIDE BY the four basic rules. And if you cannot do that then DO NOT own a gun.
There is NO REASON to treat a firearm as if it were not loaded.
There is NO REASON to point a firearm at anything you are not willing to shoot.
There is NO REASON to put your finger on the trigger if you don’t intend to pull the trigger.
There is NO REASON to pull the trigger if you are unsure of your target or what is behind it.
Incredibly the guy in the OP managed to violate ALL FOUR of the basic rules of gun safety and as a result he shot and killed his own son.
I feel really, really bad for the guy. I strongly suspect he has destroyed his life and he knows it. I strongly suspect he would give anything to go back and change things. I strongly suspect there isn’t much that could be done to him that will punish him more than his own actions and having to live with them.
But at the same time you just DON’T forget you left your baby in the car and you just DON’T point your loaded gun at your son and put your finger on the trigger.
It sucks that this boy had to die because his dad was a complete fucking idiot. Sometimes when Darwin takes control other innocents get hurt.
For those who think he should get a free pass I have a few questions.
What if it was someone you knew? Or someone not related to him? Would you not be screaming for vengeance?
What is the just punishment for killing his son? Should he lose the right to own a firearm because of his negligence?
Should there be any repercussions or should we just chalk it up to “oh well shit happens”?
Yup.
Something tells me this guy ejected the mag from the handgun and believed it to be unloaded at that point thus taking into the store and the subsequent negligent discharged ensued. We don’t have enough details as to verify whether or not the gun was checked by the store staff once inside.
My father and I went to a gun store/range one day for a couple of hours of shooting. When we pulled up in the parking lot I mentioned to him that I needed to unload my CCW before we entered the store as I was going to shoot it on the range and it needed to be checked in by the staff. As he sat in the driver seat he said he was good to go and I asked him if he had verified that his gun was in fact unloaded as the staff would have to check it in. He told me that he had not but he knew it was unloaded. At which point he took the gun out of it’s case with it’s muzzle pointed at the floor board, finger off the trigger, and worked the slide rearward. Much to his surprise a bright shiny brass cased round ejected from the gun. His eyes got as big as dinner plates and I knew that really gave him a scare as he looked over my way. I smiled at him and said, “well dad it’s like you always told me, there’s no such thing as an unloaded gun”.
If this kid’s dad had observed the four golden rules of firearm’s handling he would still be alive.
I find myself in agreement with Sensei. If every fatal firearms “accident” was prosecuted as manslaughter, how fast would all the idiots man the fuck up and learn to be safe?
I like these questions, I find myself trying to put myself in those shoes. I don’t think I would want to live, or ever touch a gun again. This is not like war or self defense, how would you wife treat you, your family. Its over for this guy already, the law should be the least of his worries:suicide::suicide::suicide:
This is what I was thinking also. Seems to me I read about them getting charged.
Primarily because I have a now 9 year old I only chamber a round before bed and then clear in as soon as I wake the morning. It’s also a big reason as to why I don’t use a hammerless weapon for home defense.
Not because I would ever be as careless as that man, but because it eliminates the potential for any number of mistakes. Living in NJ I can’t carry in public, so there’s no protocol for me to follow in that regard for now. But even if I did tomorrow and I decided to keep a round chambered at all times I would stay with the Beretta 90-Two. This because having not been able to carry publically the past 43 years I be very complacent with the double action and of course the gun has never failed in any way so far.
As far as his punishment, I think it’s rather complicated. However that’s probably because if I did that then I would throw myself in front of a train or off the nearest bridge as soon as possible in hopes of catching up to my son.
Are you a parent?
Yes, I am.
again if he killed your kid would you pat him on the back give him a hug saying its OK you suffered enough
No, but that is far a different circumstance for obvious reasons.