This is from the tragic shooting that ended in the deaths of a 14 year old girl and also the suspect.
The video appears to show what looks like an M16A1 rifle (or maybe SP-1?) with a carry handle-mounted optic of some sort. Since we’re well into the era of flattop carbines with any of a plethora of optic choices, I’m somewhat surprised to see this setup still in service. Or is LAPD that strapped for cash? Admittedly, this could be a freebee transfer from the Federal Government.
**** that’s tough. If it was the last clip at the end, looked like the bad guy may have been standing right in front of the changing room where she was. If so, it may have not even been a miss but potentially just penetration.
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The 911 caller indicated “a guy with a gun”, so that’s what LE was probably expecting (I’m guessing).
Teardrop charging handle [emoji15]. After the North Hollywood shootout, the LAPD got a bunch of m16a1’s from the military. They also allow personally owned rifles, I’ve been inside the Metro division armory they do have an eclectic collection of firearms to include MP7’s… That they bought for pennies.
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Can anyone ID the optic?
TA01 ACOG.
Yeah. Wonder what their rifle ammo selection is. A dressing room wall isn’t much to punch through either.
Read earlier the round skipped off the ground then went into the changing room. I’m also curious what ammo they’re using.
Suspect was using an object capable of causing serious bodily injury or death. The shooting of the suspect should be justified.
Not sure how the errant round(s) part will play out. It wasn’t like he blindly shot into a crowd of people. His backdrop looked clear initially.
We always preach and teach how one is responsible for every round you shoot. Will be curious how this plays out.
A few years back we had an officer in a neighboring agency get killed from a round that skipped off the ground and hit him in the neck. Sad deal.
Me thinks DA Gascon will be all over this
For sure. Absolutely reasonable to assume the shot was clear. Terrible tragedy though.
You can get it right 99% of the time, but that 1% margin of error is something that inherently comes with a situation like this. I do feel sorry for the family of the girl, but I also feel sorry for the officer, he’s probably playing the situation over and over in his head trying to think of how he could have done it differently
Love witness reports to dispatch. We have had people blatantly lie to dispatch to get us there faster. Sounds like the people who called this in have some blame in the heightened response from officers. Get hit in the head with a U shaped bike lock can ruin your day but damn if it doesn’t look like a gun. Stupid uneducated public. Poor officer and family of victim.
True… and those retards will just go home and update social media and make tik tok videos… (probably anti police themed) after aggravating the situation.
Does “Transferred Intent” apply in the California Criminal Code?
Not sure about transferred intent. But I know Cali law and Texas law are very similar. In Texas law they would have to show the officer “recklessly” caused her death or was somehow “negligent” in her death. I really don’t see either of that in this case. Just seems like a tragic accident. But I don’t have all the facts and Cali is going to be different than Texas law.
There have been folks prosecuted for making false 9-1-1 reports. Years back there was a case in Cali where someone reported a man with a weapon. Cops arrive and ended up shooting the guy who was unarmed. The 9-1-1 caller was charged.
Likely LESO/1033 gun. Also possible outright purchase, many do that. Unmodified early M16 LESO guns are more prolific than most think.
Have to wait for the ME and ballistics report. If it was a over-penetration what ammo was the department using? Was it a ricochet or is the dept. covering it own ass? Was this a violation of the escalation of force if was a just a bike lock? More information is needed.
If it was a miss then sorry, it was that officers fault for missing and should be held 100% liable. See: “You are responsible for every bullet that comes out of your gun” and Rule #4:" Don’t shoot unless you know exactly what your shot is going to strike. Be sure that your bullet will not injure anyone or anything beyond your target."
Is this the very reason we do dot torture and no fail shot drills? This is an example of why misses are unacceptable.
Apply this logic to yourself: If you had to shoot some inside your home in a defensive situation and a bullet exited your house and killed a neighbor across the street, would’t you also be held liable?
Let this be a lesson for everyone instead of chalking this up to an “unavoidable tragedy”, thats bullshit pure copium.
This is why we train, missing your target matters, bullet selection matters.
Yeah, it just looks a little unusual in a world full of tricked-out carbines.
I don’t disagree at all, but there is very likely a difference in thought process when you can see civilians in the background vs walls and expect that you’d be staring down a gun. I’ve thought about it a lot as the top of my stairs is in between my bedroom door and where my daughter’s crib is in her room and while that possibility of everything lining up and having to take a shot is narrow, it carries such a heavy potential consequence that I think about the pros and cons of rushing someone that’s pointing a gun at me and likely eating a round while pushing them backwards down the stairs rather than risking making that shot.
It sucks all around.