BlackWater banned from Iraq

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) – Iraq’s Interior Ministry has revoked the license of Blackwater USA, an American security firm whose contractors are blamed for a Sunday gunbattle in Baghdad that left eight civilians dead.

U.S. soldiers talk with Iraqi shopkeepers while patrolling Sunday in Baghdad.

Sunday’s firefight took place near Nusoor Square, an area that straddles the predominantly Sunni Arab neighborhoods of Mansour and Yarmouk.

In addition to the fatalities, 14 people were wounded, most of them civilians, the official said.

The ministry said the incident began around midday, when a convoy of sport utility vehicles came under fire from unidentified gunmen in the square.

The men in the SUVs, described by witnesses as Westerners, returned fire, and the witnesses said the vehicles are the kind used by Western security firms.

An official with the U.S. Embassy told The Associated Press that a State Department motorcade came under small-arms fire near Nusoor Square, and one of the vehicles was disabled.

The official said no State Department officials were injured but provided no information on Iraqi casualties, the AP reported.

“We have revoked Blackwater’s license to operate in Iraq. As of now they are not allowed to operate anywhere in the Republic of Iraq,” Interior Ministry spokesman Brig. Gen. Abdul Kareem Khalaf said Monday. “The investigation is ongoing, and all those responsible for Sunday’s killing will be referred to Iraqi justice.”

Blackwater is one of many security firms contracted by the U.S. government during the Iraq war. An estimated 25,000-plus employees of private security firms are working in Iraq, guarding diplomats, reconstruction workers and government officials. As many as 200 are believed to have been killed on the job, according to U.S. congressional reports.

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Some Blackwater personnel died in a grisly incident in Iraq more than three years ago that sparked shock and outrage in the United States.

Four Americans working as private security personnel for Blackwater, all of whom were military veterans, were ambushed, killed and mutilated in March 2004 in Falluja, west of Baghdad.

People close to the company estimate it has lost about 30 employees during the war.

Iraqi authorities have issued previous complaints about shootings by private military contractors, but Iraqi courts do not have the authority to bring contractors to trial, according to a July report from the Congressional Research Service.

The House Oversight and Government Reform Committee estimated in February that nearly $4 billion had been spent on security contracts amid the insurgency that followed the U.S. invasion in 2003 – costs that have forced the delay, cancellation or scaling back of some reconstruction projects.

Meanwhile, seven people were killed and 31 others were detained Monday in U.S.-led coalition raids across Iraq, the U.S. military said.

The fatalities occurred west of Yusufiya, southwest of the capital, as coalition forces targeted two buildings used by al Qaeda in Iraq militants, who organize suicide attacks.

Armed men at one building drew weapons as troops approached, and the troops “engaged” the two and killed them, the statement said.

They killed four others who were apparently acting as lookouts and another who wouldn’t surrender when ordered. Nineteen people were detained, the military said.

Troops arrested other suspects in regions north of the capital – north of Taji, near Balad, in Baiji and near the Syrian border.

In Baghdad, three people were killed and 11 others were wounded Monday when a parked car detonated near a Shiite mosque on the edge of a densely populated Shiite neighborhood, an Interior Ministry official said.

Very interesting . . . here’s another story with a little more information on the same subject.


Iraq Lifts Security Firm’s License After Shooting Kills Civilians

Monday , September 17, 2007

Associated Press

BAGHDAD —

The Interior Ministry said Monday that it was pulling the license of an American security firm allegedly involved in the fatal shooting of civilians during an attack on a U.S. State Department motorcade in Baghdad.

The ministry said it would prosecute any foreign contractors found to have used excessive force in the Sunday incident.

Interior Ministry spokesman Abdul-Karim Khalaf said eight people were killed and 13 were wounded when security contractors working for Blackwater USA opened fire in a predominantly Sunni neighborhood of western Baghdad.

“We have canceled the license of Blackwater and prevented them from working all over Iraqi territory. We will also refer those involved to Iraqi judicial authorities,” Khalaf said.

Blackwater, based in North Carolina, provides security for many U.S. civilian operations in the country. Phone messages left early Monday at Blackwater’s office in North Carolina and with a company spokeswoman were not immediately returned.

The Iraqi Interior Ministry spokesman said witness reports pointed to Blackwater involvement but said the incident was still under investigation. It was not immediately clear if the measure against Blackwater was intended to be temporary or permanent.

U.S. troops are immune from prosecution in Iraq under the U.N. resolution that authorizes their presence, but Khalaf said the exemption does not apply to private security companies.

The U.S. Embassy said a State Department motorcade came under small-arms fire that disabled one of the vehicles, which had to be towed from the scene near Nisoor Square in the Mansour district.

An embassy official provided no information about Iraqi casualties but said no State Department personnel were wounded or killed. He spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to media.

He said the shooting was being investigated by the State Department’s diplomatic security service, and law enforcement officials working with the Iraqi government and the U.S. military.

Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki late Sunday condemned the shooting by a “foreign security company” and called it a “crime.”

Tens of thousands of private security contractors operate in Iraq — some with automatic weapons, body armor, helicopters and bulletproof vehicles.

The contractors, including many Americans and Britons, provide protection for Westerners and dignitaries in Iraq as the country has plummeted toward anarchy and civil war.

Many have been accused of indiscriminately firing at American and Iraqi troops, and of shooting to death an unknown number of Iraqi citizens who got too close to their heavily armed convoys, but none has faced charges or prosecution.

[b]Iraqi police said the contractors were in a convoy of six sport utility vehicles and left the scene after the shooting. A witness said the gunfire broke out following an explosion.

“We saw a convoy of SUVs passing in the street nearby. One minute later, we heard the sound of a bomb explosion followed by gunfire that lasted for 20 minutes between gunmen and the convoy people who were foreigners and dressed in civilian clothes. Everybody in the street started to flee immediately,” said Hussein Abdul-Abbas, who owns a mobile phone store in the area.[/b]

The wartime numbers of private guards are unprecedented — as are their duties, many of which have traditionally been done by soldiers. They protect U.S. military operations and have guarded high-ranking officials including Gen. David Petraeus, the U.S. commander in Baghdad.

They also protect journalists, visiting foreign officials and thousands of construction projects.


Joe Mamma

what horse crap. I don’t think Iraq has the authority to cancel contracts. They could do it by making a big stink and pressuring the us govt to close it down but they can’t do squat. Some better informed person set me straight if I’m wrong.

It is amusing that the Min of the int is crying about it. It’s not like they have death squads running around or anything.

I’m not being flippant about the deaths of the civilians, but the sketchy reports sounds like the typical collateral damage from fighting or hajis who get shot for ignoring “escalation of force” procedures.

I believe this may be a publicity stunt pertaining to all the backlash from when the BW guy shot the Iraqi guard while intoxicated- his punishment was being fired from BW.

No one has said BW needs to vacate the country or anything; but even if, the contractors don’t change only the names of the companies and the contracts.

This will blow over…and it better otherwise I need to go find a job.

FWIW Iraqi civilians reported that the BW convoy was taken under fire with small arms as well as the EFP.

as well a DOS SA RSO(DSS) agent rides on WPPS convoys so despite what the media likes to protray these missions are NOT running around shooting everything for kicks.

It won’t affect the WPPS jobs - but for non WPPS the Iraqi MOI can disbarr security companies - and thus force them out.
It may affect BW’s IRI and Mamba contracts but thats it the majority of work will be unaffected.

But can they indict and try foreigners for alleged crimes?

If the Iraqi legal system were to indict the Blackwater guys, would the US hand them over for trial?

If yes, then that would probably be the end of contractor support in Iraq.

If no, then it would tend to confirm many people’s suspicions that Iraq has no sovereign government and merely dances to the U.S.'s tune. Sir Alan said last night that “the Iraq war is largely about oil.”

And for enough gold the problem may become, “No problem.”

I guess only time will tell the truth and we will see what happens.

Not exactly. Clarified below, IMHO it was more about the world economy and global markets… Again, IMHO, very strategic.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/16/AR2007091601287_pf.html

As I understand it, the U.S. and its allies were granted immunity, a condition of the CPA ceding authority to the Iraqi (ahem) government in '04. If the U.S. waives immunity – and it can – all bets are off.

Time article.

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1662586,00.html

TIME has obtained an incident report prepared by the U.S. government describing a fire fight Sunday in Baghdad in which at least eight Iraqis were reported killed and 13 wounded. The deadly incident occurred when a convoy of U.S. personnel protected by Blackwater security contractors came under small arms fire. Blackwater returned fire, resulting in the Iraqi deaths. The loss of life has provoked anger in Baghdad, where the Interior Ministry has suspended Blackwater’s license to operate around the country. Several Iraqi government officials have indicated their opposition to Blackwater’s continued presence in their country. If the suspension is made permanent, it could significantly impair security for key U.S. personnel in the country, a U.S. official in Baghdad told TIME. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, whose State Department depends on Blackwater to protect its Iraq-based staffers, called Iraqi prime minister Nouri al-Maliki to say that the U.S. has launched its own investigation into the matter.

According to the incident report, the skirmish occurred at 12:08 p.m. on Sunday when, “the motorcade was engaged with small arms fire from several locations” as it moved through a neighborhood of west Baghdad. “The team returned fire to several identified targets” before leaving the area. One vehicle engine was hit and disabled by bullets and had to be towed away. A separate convoy arriving to help was “blocked/surrounded by several Iraqi police and Iraqi national guard vehicles and armed personnel,” the report says. Then an American helicopter hovered over the traffic circle, as the U.S. convoy departed without casualties. Some reports have said the helicopter also opened fire on Iraqis, but a Blackwater official told TIME that no shots were fired from the air.

Some eyewitnesses said the fighting began after an explosion detonated near the U.S. convoy, but the incident report does not reflect that. The Blackwater official declared that, contrary to some reports from Iraq, “the convoy was violently attacked by armed insurgents, not civilians, and our people did their job, they fired back to defend human life.” The official said that “Blackwater is contracted to work in a war zone, its personnel are under frequent fire, and all the rules of engagement permit them to defend themselves.”

Blackwater, a security company based in Moyock, North Carolina, has more than 1,000 personnel in Iraq, most protecting senior State Department personnel and others carrying out sensitive work in the country. Founded by former Navy SEAL Erik Prince, the firm is privately held and secretive. Last week U.S. ambassador to Iraq Ryan Crocker testified to the Senate that the State Department is overwhelmingly dependent on contractors like Blackwater for its security. As he put it, “There is simply no way at all that the State Department’s Bureau of Diplomatic Security could ever have enough full-time personnel to staff the security function in Iraq. There is no alternative except through contracts.”

Crocker added, “The capability and courage of the individuals who provide security under contract is worthy of respect of all Americans.” As an example of the dangers faced by private security personnel in the country, he cited a Blackwater helicopter that crashed in Iraq last Monday. “One of Blackwater’s helicopters went down yesterday — a hostile fire incident,” the Ambassador said. “Fortunately no one was killed in that accident, but over 30 of our contract security Americans have been killed keeping the rest of us safe.” A Blackwater official confirmed Crocker’s account of the incident.

A spokesman for Iraq’s Interior Ministry has told reporters it has cancelled Blackwater’s license and will launch an investigation into whether excessive force was used in the incident. But, in spite of that declaration, which was carried on wire reports, a senior Iraqi official contacted by TIME said that prime minister Maliki is expected to discuss the episode at a cabinet session scheduled for Tuesday and that, as far as the license being permanently revoked, “it’s not a done deal yet.”

However, the Iraqi official also said he had spoken with at least two cabinet members about yesterday’s shooting and that some in the government have “been upset about Blackwater for a while now. They want them to get out,” said the advisor. The State Department said Secretary Rice called prime minister Maliki on Monday is expected to occur later on Monday. She expressed her regret for the loss of life in the incident, assuring him that the U.S. will conduct its own investigation and inform the Iraqi government of its progress. House Oversight Committee Chairman Henry Waxman announced Monday he will launch an investigation into the incident as well, calling it “an unfortunate demonstration of the perils of excessive reliance on private security contractors.”

The investigation better include some serious who-killed-who evidence, or its just political BS.

Most likely KBR will still use Blackwater no matter what the out come but they will fall under one of KBR’s sub companies. :cool:

Here is what he wrote, exactly: “I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil.”

From your article:

Given that, “I’m saying taking Saddam out was essential,” he said. But he added that he was not implying that the war was an oil grab.

“No, no, no,” he said. Getting rid of Hussein achieved the purpose of “making certain that the existing system [of oil markets] continues to work, frankly, until we find other [energy supplies], which ultimately we will.”

Just more Greenspeak. Why was “taking Saddam out was essential”? Weren’t Iraqi oil sales under UN oversight? All Hussein did was change the unit of account for the sales from dollars to euros. (We changed it back to dollars when we ousted Hussein.) It’s all about the dollar. The Saudis price oil in dollars in exchange for keeping the sheiks in power. So much for “democracy.” This is so “the existing system [of oil markets] continues to work.”

He who controls the spigot controls the production. A high price of oil is in the national security interest of the United States because the price of oil is a main driver of demand for dollars. Without demand for dollars, the US dollar and US dollar hegemony are toast. Therefore, an invasion of Iraq to control the rate of Iraqi oil development and production is consistent with the national security interests of the United States (and Israel.)

Oh, we will find new energy supplies, but not until Big Oil and the banksters squeeze the last bit of profit from oil. And position themselves to control and finance the next source of energy supplies.

Doubtful that we’ll ever know the real truth behind this incident.

The footprints appear to be democrats…:wink:

  1. This is the type of crap we have to listen to when you have a wishy washy wimpy democrat pleasing President that has poured has mandate down the drain. We should be occupiers…forget the PC crap! :mad:

  2. We won, they lost…tough shit Iraq. Too bad…So Sad…Boo Hoo:(

  3. Blackwater has lot’s of discharged SEALs, Recon, Rangers, ect. They know the rules and are professionals. I trust their word over ANY Iraqi.

  4. They way I look at it, we own Iraq. Like God, what we give with one hand we can take with another (but we are nice guys and won’t). They should kiss our rear sides and be thankful that we did not smite them all like their previous enemies and leaders have done. I won’t hold my breadth waiting for them to show some gratitude as a collective nation. I also think that there are some Iraqis who do like the USA and are very thankful.

I hope Iraq eventually becomes a great US ally, becomes civil and stable, and becomes productive. But if it doesn’t happen, I am not going to loose sleep over it. I just hope the war contracts end abruptly so that the US market if flooded with surplus ammo!!!:smiley:

Um, yeah.

To the extent anyone pays attention to this stuff, they only hear the words of the State Department spokesman: “The bottom line is that the secretary wants to make sure that we do everything we possibly can to avoid the loss of innocent life.”

In light of the one million plus figure, such statements come off as evil jokes. The US has unleashed bloodshed in Iraq that is rarely known even in countries we think of as violent and torn by civil strife. It is amazing to think that this has occurred in what was only recently a liberal and civilized country by the region’s standards. This was a country that had a problem with immigration, particularly among the well-educated and talented classes. They went to Iraq because it was the closest Arab proxy to Western-style society that one could find in the area.

It was the US that turned this country into a killing field. Why won’t we face this? Why won’t we take responsibility? The reason has to do with this mysterious thing called nationalism, which makes an ideological religion of the nation’s wars. We are god-like liberators. They are devil-like terrorists. [emphasis added] No amount of data or contrary information seems to make a dent in this irreligious faith. So it is in every country and in all times. Here is the intellectual blindness that war generates.

Such blindness is always inexcusable, but perhaps more understandable in a time when information was severely restricted, when technological limits actually prohibited us from knowing the whole truth at the time. What excuse do we have today? Our blindness is not technological but ideological. We are the good guys, right? Every nation believes that about itself, but freedom is well served by the few who dare to think critically.

An essential postulate of the Western idea, or so we tell ourselves, is the universal and ultimate value of human life. And indeed it is true. No person or group of people is without value – not even those whom our own government chooses to label the enemy.

None Dare Call It Genocide

I hope Iraq eventually becomes a great US ally, becomes civil and stable, and becomes productive. But if it doesn’t happen, I am not going to loose sleep over it. I just hope the war contracts end abruptly so that the US market if flooded with surplus ammo!!!:smiley:

The Decider has yet to rescind Komrad Klinton’s EO requiring de-milling of ammo. Then there are the UN restrictions on sale of small arms ammunition by member nations. So don’t hold your breath on surplus ammo availability.

I wonder if BW would offer its services to a Hillary/Hussein administration.:rolleyes:

You said “DECIDER” :smiley:

I really don’t get why people are upset about this.

Maybe I’m way off base here, but I think that our military should be accountable for all military action on our nations behalf in a foreign country. Having a civilian outfit running around in military equipment, performing operations in that country is foolish. There are too many ways that something could go wrong. As highly trained as they probably are, they are still just people, and people sometimes do stupid things, especially under stress.(As we have already witnessed with the number of accusations of misconduct our REAL soldiers have faced in Iraq, unless your implying that the BW boys are somehow better trained and more intelligent than our troops)

Bottom line is, if something was perceivably wrong with a military operation in Iraq by an American Military force, it reflects on our presence there, and our military should be held accountable. If the private security contracts are that benificial to our efforts over there, then they should be “deputized” in some way by our Army, or Marines, and whatever branch adopted them should be responsible for their conduct, and actions.

It’s not a question of whether or not BlackWater has done any good, it’s a question of whether or not we feel comfortable enough with their conduct to be held accountable for their actions in Iraq. If we don’t, then why are we allowing them to be over there in the first place?

First of all,

Where do I start.
The VAST majority of the BW guys on WPPS have been in Iraq or Afghanistan with the military prior to being hired by BW.

On WPPS jobs a DOS RSO (who is a DSS SA) rides in the convoy. Despite what you may or may not believe we dont (I’m not BW, but I work here in the security biz. contracted by the US Gov’t/DOD) get issued a license to kill and drive around arbitrarily brassing up civies for kick’s.

I suggest anyone questions BW’s actions look at the DOS mandate given to BW and the ROE they are under. TC and Dyn operate the same way in this regard, as State mandates the high pro approach and the methods used because of that.

I’ve worked high and low pro here - I personally prefer working low pro - but our contract states high pro only, and thus in all probably we likely brass up some vehicles and people that where not threats - but they fit the threat profile and entered the bubble (which here means it gets shot, and its been this way for QUITE awhile). This is an issue for State, they created the ogre of High Pro teams.

Secondly w/o contract security the Iraq (and to a point Afghan as well) would collapse. The Big Army does not do PSD work (or at least does not do it well), and the .soc guys who can do PSD well - are busy doing other mission essential task here, or getting out and going contract…

I suppose a point can be made about the TCN’s guarding the IZ, and mainy of the FOB’s - but these are not the people drawing headlines.

I can go on and on - but its late and I need my beauty sleep.