Black Rain rifles

AR/M4 AR General Discussion
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I don’t know if anyone has noticed it, or cares, but there is a dealer on gunbroker.com that is selling Black Rain rifles like crazy at what appears to be a big discount. I mean like maybe 1K$ less than the same rifle at my local Gander Mountain. I’m not a shill, I’m just reporting what I see.

I am looking for a Noveske, the only one I can afford is the Rogue Hunter which is on the cheaper than dirt site for a little over $1600. Are these Rogue Hunter rifles all Gen 1 lowers? Is that a bad thing? Why is the Rogue Hunter cheaper than the rest of the Noveske line?? Also considering a DD MK12 or a V9 with s2w barrel. I want something I can scope and hit reliably out to 200 yds & beyond.

I have CQB guns, HK91, HK93, underfolder AKs, a M14 re-weld and a Kriink SBR. It is not practical to scope any of those rifles. I just need one gun that I can use at a distance.

I know zero about optics, but I have been advised to get the Nikon M223 scope that is already set up for .223 ammo. Make sense??

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What makes me never want to touch their stuff, is their guns are a mystery. In the past few years, companies that want to produce high quality rifles are being very specific about materials, processes, and quality control procedures. Black rain does none of this. Almost blatantly against the trend.

-billet is no gauge of product quality.
-if a company chooses to fill most of its precious advertizing space on “biohazard” or “zombie” it is suspect. IMO it is better used on specs; barrel materials, gas port sizes, bolt materials, qc processes.

I think you are looking in the right direction with DD and Noveske. Try BCM too.

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Hard to go wrong with Noveske. That said, I have a BRO billet lower and it’s been great. I think with Noveske you are getting a well respected - proven system. It would be my first choice with DD a close second.

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Use riverofguns and find a used Noveske upper. A quick search found this for $920:
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_7_159/1331079_Noveske_Rogue_Hunter_Upper.html

Add a complete BCM lower and you have a good rifle for $1300.

The Rogue Hunter does not have an MUR upper or Gen2/3 lower. Nothing wrong with their normal forged uppers/lowers though.

The Nikon M223 is a cheap scope relatively speaking. I went the even cheaper route and bought a used Nikon P223 3-9x for fun. There is no place to shoot beyond 100 yards where I live so I didn’t want to spend a lot of money on a scope. That said, a Bushnell Elite Tactical 3-12x44 is what I really wanted ($650-750).

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What, exactly, is a MUR upper in the Noveske? I am 67 years old and in my day, forged was top quality and cast was the junk. Now forged isn’t as good as billet, or the other way around??

So, is the Rogue Hunter a dumping place for their old Gen 1 lowers?? I prefer to stay with military type rifles, but the Rogue Hunter is billed as a “hunting rifle”. I really want an Infidel, but I am just not going to pay $2500++ for an AR.

I agree with Shiz, the BRO’s do not have a lot of technical data on them, but you gotta admit, this is a trick looking rifle: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=445345303

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Despite being made here locally, i’ve never even seen one in person at any of the shops in the area. that may be due to the price, but there is a local dealer who stocks some noveske rifles, along with tavor’s and ACR’s so there seems to be some market for “high end” stuff. that leads me to believe either BRO isnt as good as the company claims, or there is some other reason nobody around here sells them.

I go with BCM personally.

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Skulls for your hunting rifle? I second the the DD or BCM/

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It is a well known fact that painting skulls on your rifle increases accuracy.

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An excellent point. Kind of like decals on a race car.

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There is nothing at all wrong with Noveske Gen 1 forged uppers and lowers. I prefer them actually. The Rogue Hunter is a nice rifle if you are looking for a stainless lightweight barrel. It makes a great coyote, varmint, etc. gun. If you are set on a Noveke, the Rogue Hunter will probably be just fine for your application.

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Thanks brianc142, I need all the info I can get. I am heavily leaning toward the Rogue Hunter.

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Other way around… Forged is stronger than Billet. The MUR is a forged upper that’s designed to yield less receiver flex… standard flat top receivers are much more flexible than an A2 fixed carry handle. The MUR was designed to strengthen the flat top.

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Got its Markm, thanks.

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But even skulls are trumped by the Restricted - Law Enforcement/Military rollmarks

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Right, Warp!

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Generally speaking, that much art work on the rifle should be in line with the amount of body art you are wearing. Ink on ink sort of.

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The only art work I am looking for on my next rifle is the tattoo, “Noveske”.

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BRO almost had me going until I started seeing those “medieval” muzzle brake thingys on their guns. I am still amazed that they seem to sell well. Most people do not even know who BCM, KAC, DD, or Noveske are when looking to purchase a black rifle. I guess it goes to show you marketing is everything. Lastly, it is pointless to even try and argue your point with people on a quality rifle. They know more than any of us do.

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No doubt about it, BRO has the flashy design, it almost makes me forget the purpose of the whole thing is to hit the target.

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Speed holes bro, and if you say bro a lot Black Rain rifles might be the right gun for you. Other wise if your looking for a rifle from $800 to $3000 just do a general search and let the fine people here at M4 point you in the right direction