Do you think it’s worth the price for a binary trigger, or a waste of money? Still trying to build my pistol and getting some ideas
Maybe its just me, but I find a fire on release trigger to be a horribly unsafe idea, and would never even consider using one
That, by definition, would violate the NFA rule of 1 round per trigger pull. No?
Youd think, but apparently the atf sees differently. Legality aside, still seems like a horribly unsafe idea to me
Completely meme tier and autistic.
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I put a binary and a trigger crank on my AR “pistol” (wink-wink, it’s just as good as an SBR). I can rain pure homestead defense death with a single point sling and and a Sightmark.
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It is just you. The Binary Trigger is much safer than a full auto trigger, but I don’t hear apocryphal warnings about full auto. I’ve been using a Binary Trigger for almost two years, including letting others try it, without any safety issues at all. Anyone who is going to do something unsafe with a Binary Trigger, such add point the rifle in an unsafe direction with the trigger held back, is going to be just as unsafe with a normal trigger.
Gaigeboyd, to answer your question, I do not think the Binary Trigger was worth the money in any practical sense. There’s no denying that it’s fun and it’s much easier to control than full auto. A shooter might, with practice, use it to full advantage shooting at speed in competition or perhaps during training. However, using it do will get strange looks. It’s certainly a cheaper alternative to a transferable machinegun. But after careful consideration, I have decided to not use the Binary Trigger in any rifle used for self defense. I don’t want to pay my lawyer to explain it if I ever need to defend myself.
In a nutshell, it’s twice as expensive as an SSA-E, but much cheaper than a transferable machinegun and a fun way to turn money into noise. If it has a practical application, it will be in a very narrow niche.
P.S. The kids love it and when combined with a .22 upper, suppressor and subsonic ammo, can reduce even a hardboiled veteran cop to giggling like a school girl.
My take: stop spending money on gimmicks and buy more magazines, ammo, and training.
Except that a full auto trigger does not incorporate a “dead man switch”. While it is possible in any situation for things to go wrong, its is far more likely in all circumstances for someone to unintentionally release the trigger than it is for someone to unintentionally depress it. If a weapon with a typical firing system( be it full auto or just auto loading) is dropped, it will not decide in mid air that another shot should be fired.
I saw a YouTube video a few months back where someone combined a slide fire with a binary trigger and significantly increased the amount of ammo shot(wasted?) per minute as opposed to using either of these accessories by themselves. I can’t afford to shoot that much ammo anymore.
The rule is one operation of the trigger.
Pulling is one, releasing is another.
As to the “safety” aspect, it’s a learning thing. It allows fast double taps. I can’t imagine people pulling the trigger once, then trying to adjust the sight or something.
The reality is different. When something unexpected happens, shooters tend to hold the trigger down. Guess what happens when shooters hold down a full auto trigger? They dump the whole mag. What happens when shooters holds down a binary trigger? They dump a single round. They then have the option of engaging the safety to prevent the firing of the second shot before they release the trigger.
What’s the rule when you are done shooting? Finger off the trigger. What’s the worst thing that can happen when you take your finger of a binary trigger? It fires a single round. Where is your muzzle pointing when you take your finger off the trigger? Down range at the intended target. If not, YOU screwed up.
Actual use has not shown a binary trigger to be unsafe.
If you focus on making hits quickly rather than just making noise, you can slow down a bit to get the sights back on target before releasing the second shot.
I had one, a Fostech, it malfunctioned about 15% of the time. It was probably their selector switch. I gave it away as it was simply unreliable. But it was a great experience for me because I learned the value of the AR 15 is placing a lot of lead on the target but doing it accurately. What other weapon can do both so well? Semi auto is fast enough. Working on accuracy and speed is where I’m going.
I see.
It allows fast double taps.
I’d never heard of this trigger before this thread. I have double tap speed that’s pretty respectable. 
Best description of a binary trigger I’ve ever heard.
That is a completely entry-level statement.
This. If your sight picture is outrunning your trigger finger, and youre pushing FA speeds, by all means, but im sure thats not the case for most people.
They are fun, but i personally wouldnt use one at this point.
If you are good and it helps, thats a bonus.
If you are just learning, its going to be a liability.
Once you can pass typical drills with standard gear, maybe consider stuff like this.
I’ve had one in my .22LR suppressed SBR for a while now and it’s great fun, but not 100% reliable in binary mode. (Sometimes it has this malfunction on binary where the hammer is cocked, but the trigger is dead and there’s an unfired round in the chamber. It can at least be quickly reset by racking the charging handle once, although that does eject the round in the chamber.) I don’t feel bad dumping ammo in .22LR, but I don’t think I’d use it in a 5.56 gun.
That said, the binary mode did come in very handy when the dog was out barking one night. I went out to investigate and found a skunk staring at me. Biggest immediate “oh shit” feeling since Afghanistan, flipped that shit straight to binary and double tapped it in the head before it could get off another spray.
Then the dog decided to lunge on the body and shake it around a bit. Cue a trip to the grocery store for hydrogen peroxide, etc. That was a long night.
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