Bill to limit and regulate online ammo sales

I think we should focus on that POS Lautenberg. He’s already been instrumental in anti-gun legislation that has a significant impact. At 88 years old, there’s no guarantee that he’ll run for reelection in 2014. whether he does or not, I think gun rights supporters would do well to focus a LOT of money on defeating the Democratic nominee in his district, specifically as payback for all the dirty work he’s done in his nearly 30 years in the Senate. Looking at his election percentages, that district is not a guaranteed lock for the Democrats.

It’s way past time to retire that sorry fuckhead! :frowning:

Its a done deal…He is up in virtually every poll, this ain’t America anymore, its amerika…Mitt Romney hasn’t a chance of beating this thug… The economy is shattered, amerikans are eager thralls to the welfare state, and its food stamp king, it is all going to be happening very very fast…

Dang… Time to buy ammo again… Who’d a thought… Ron

I have plenty, soon enough, I’ll be selling it at $500.00 a box, and the idiots will make me wealthy…

I’m not so sure…Obombo’s Achillies Heel is the economy…2% growth for the 1st quarter, 1.5% for the second…No one is really doing any hiring because of all the uncertianty.(fiscal cliff, taxes etc) Look at all the kids just getting out of collage…They’re asshole deep in debt for school loans, and they can’ buy a job, many are going back to collage, getting even deeper in debt, for a degree that maybe, will have a future, alot of these kids are the ones who voted for “hope and change”… They’ve now had 4 years to see how well that worked. I figure unemployment will start rising soon,when it does the polls are going to show a different story…Most folks want a job, not a handout… And Obombo has’nt been able to deliver. If there is a silver lining in this otherwise dark cloud, it’s that socialism ends just as soon as they run out of other people’s money to spend… And that day of reckoning, is’nt that far off…

I am cautiously optimistic Obama won’t win a second term (“glass half full guy” now :sarcastic:), but he can do a lot of damage before he’s physically out of office.

Actually, the two polls with the best track record, Rasmussen and Gallup, has Romney ahead by three and tied respectively,and that don’t count undecided voters who historically overwhemingly break to the challenger. And Romney really hasn’t even started to hit Obama yet, he has basiclly let Obama spend himself silly while he wears out his best tool to attack him with, Bain Capital. He is playing Rope-a-dope to bleed him of money now so he can clobber him in September and October.

Lets also remember the economy is getting progressively worse. Obama will be lucky if he is not blown-out along with other Dems on election day. Historically, Incumbents with economic and unemployment numbers this sour get trounced.

yup

he also has no problem bypassing the system when he can !

hard to say polling at this point is polling I do agree though its not the same country at all and if not this election and things dont turn around its next one !

I agree. There is no excitement for Romney. I live in a conservative district in NYS, and I just saw my first Romney bumper sticker last week. He doesn’t have supporters, what he has are settlers, as in “I guess I’ll settle for that douche”.

Obama will win another term, and he’ll be the last POTUS

My fear is not an outright gun ban, the liberals learned their lesson there and no less than Bill Clinton has told them that’s why they lost the Congress in 1994.

What I am concerned about is the way progressives operate; they chip away at things, more of the “death by a thousand cuts” philosophy.

They will push things such as the online ammo ban, the high capacity magazine ban and when someone questions the reply will be something like this:

“We aren’t saying you cannot have your guns, we aren’t saying you can’t enjoy shooting or protect your loved ones or your homes. What we are saying is that this common sense legislation will help prevent criminals from stockpiling ammunition without ever having to meet a dealer face to face, without someone being able to get a feel for them, without having to present valid ID. We don’t want drug gang members or Mexican cartels buying 1,000’s of rounds anonymously any more than we do another James Holmes. Why does anyone need 4, 5, 6, 10 thousand rounds of ammunition?”

As far as magazines, they will say something like:


“Why do you need to be able to hold 30 or 40 or even 100 rounds in a magazine to enjoy target shooting? Why isn’t 10 sufficient? In fact, California has something called a ‘bullet-button’ that permits the enjoyment of shooting military style weapons but they cannot be reloaded so quickly as to permit another Aurora-style shooting.”

I can also see them going after reloading supplies, and while I don’t reload, I’m sure many of us do. Don’t be surprised if they claim some of the booby-traps James Holmes constructed used canisters of smokeless powder.

For those who say we have nothing to fear about these proposals, what is a good argument against those statements, an argument that even someone who is neutral towards firearms and shooting will embrace?

stop online sales
regulate and limit sales
then tax the heck out of it

forgot what euro country is it where I thought I read the gov has the right to come in to your house and check your gov approved safe anytime they want ?

Switzerland? Their active duty military keeps their individual weapons at home

Reagan and Carter were within the margin of error right until election day…

Some of you guys are seriously lacking any historical perspective.

LoL, coming from the guy that says he would gladly turn over his arms in order to be left alone. Plenty of historical evidence that idea will work like a charm. :rolleyes:

Yeah, that’s what I said.:fie:

Clearly, your competence at reading is equivalent to your knowledge of history.

PLONK.

Obama will not win re-election. If you feel uneasy, as I sometimes do as well, take a moment to remember the 2010 congressional elections. Think of Brown having been elected to Kennedy’s seat…in Massachusetts.

Sanity will prevail, Obama is just too awful to win again and Romney has yet to begin his real campaign.

My gut tells me O will win in November, and thnings could get even worse given the political cache it would give him and the obvious- he won’t be up for reelection in 4; so he will do as much to damage any rights he can until he is out. Even if Romney wins, pretty much the same boat circling the same toilet bowl; it might stay afloat for a bit longer but the end result will be the same…

These new bits of knee jerk emotional legislation will most likely fall by the way-side, but they could gain traction given the right series of events.

In the very least it is a wake up call that they are constantly on the offensive trying to errode not just our gun rights, but all our rights in general.

Diane Degette (My “representative” here in CO) is putting forth some ammo/magazine capacity legislation as well from what I have heard, anyone got a line on that?

Be ever vigilant blokes. This fight is just beginning…

Interesting,
Geez, I thought people were smart enough NOT to listen to the news & mainstream media here & certainly not quote it as reputable truth.

I guess you have it on good authority that whatever the polls say must be true.

Despite being proven over & over the media is bought paid for & lies.

If people are of the opinion that polls don’t lie & we are not at an all time unprecedented level of corruption, treachery, deception & lies etc.

I guess they have not figured it out yet regarding 4GW/5GW tactics.

Keep repeating a lie & enough people (read IDIOTS) will believe you…

“There’s always free cheese at the mousetrap.”

I read an interesting commentary on the latest poll or polls that shows O up. The commentary was on one specifically a few days ago and the first one to show O up. They basically oversampled registered Democrats by 11% (yet O was only up 6%) and polls that sample by registration are notoriously inaccurate. The polling of likely voters does not show O up.

This was from 6 days ago and was written by Gary Bauer (yes he is a partisan)


Polling As Propaganda

There is a new NBC/Wall Street Journal poll out that is making a lot of headlines today. And I want to take it apart for you because it is a bunch of junk. According to the poll, Barack Obama is leaving Mitt Romney in the dust. In June the candidates were basically tied, but now the claim is that Obama is leading by six points – 49%-to-43% – and closing in on that ever crucial 50% mark.

That’s terrible news for Team Romney, right? Wrong! Let’s take a closer look at the data. Obama’s 6-point lead comes from a survey that oversampled Democrats by 11 points!

It is unimaginable that Democrats would have such an advantage at the polls on Election Day. As Breitbart.com reports, that is “a level we haven’t seen in the electorate since the post-Watergate GOP meltdown.” In fact, Gallup is currently reporting a massive 12-point enthusiasm gap between Republicans and Democrats when it comes to voting this November, and it’s Democrats who are demoralized right now!

But even with that biased sample, there are bright spots in the poll for Romney.

Only 32% of registered voters think the country is headed in the right direction, while 60% say America is “on the wrong track” under Obama’s leadership.

Only 44% of voters approve of Obama’s handling of the economy, while 53% disapprove. And that’s supposed to be the biggest issue of this campaign, right?

When asked what worries them most about the future of the country, the decline of moral values tied with the growing federal deficit. (Note to the Romney campaign: Don’t neglect values issues!)

55% of voters are less optimistic about the direction of the economy.

By a nearly 2-to-1 margin, voters think Obama is running a more negative campaign than Mitt Romney. That makes sense because Obama can’t campaign on his record, which voters disapprove of and don’t have much hope for anymore.

Things got really interesting when the pollsters tried to measure Obama’s popularity versus his policies. Two-thirds of voters said they liked Obama personally. The media have repeatedly seized on such findings to suggest that Obama is cruising toward reelection, if not sainthood. But 55% said they disapprove of many of Obama’s policies!

Think about that. If you need surgery, what’s most important to you: your doctor’s personality or his skill? If you’re going on a business trip, do you care more about your pilot’s sense of humor or his competence?

While Obama’s 6-point lead among registered voters made the headlines, when the pollsters narrowed it down to “high interest voters,” those most likely to vote, Romney led 48%-to-46%. That fact got buried in the tenth paragraph of the NBC News report.

Normally, my friends, I would tell you to dismiss this biased poll as worthless. But I think it is very valuable as an example of how the media uses polling to mold public opinion, not to measure it. It shows us just how desperate the media elites are to cause us to sink into despair, while doing everything they can to convince liberals that all is well.


But the “Polling as Propoganda” is verity apt and true.