I’ve been reading as many posts as I can find about trigger reviews and such, and most of them compare all the triggers, not just the ones from a certain class… I know that Geiselle makes the best - and I wish I could get a Geiselle DMR, but I can’t afford it. I have to spend under $150, any suggestions?
This is going to be for a DM style rifle, and I want somewhere around a 3 - 3.5# trigger pull. Will be used for target shooting (up to 600 yards), 3-gun, home defense, and the occasional high power match. I was going to pony up the extra cash for the Timney modular - but I don’t want to risk light primer strikes. So, basically I’m between the Armalite 2-stage NM trigger (which is adjustable for pull weight I think, which is a plus), the Rock River 2-stage NM trigger (a friend of mine has one of these in his RRA Entry Tac and I like it, but it’s borderline too heavy for me, pull weight wise), and the JP kit, which is just the trigger, disconnecter, and springs - doesn’t come with a nice hammer like the other kits do, unless I want to spend $180 on the entire kit, which is a bit out of my price range and it’s out of stock anyways (at JP)…
So, what do you guys recommend between these triggers, and can someone tell me more info on the Armalite NM (pull weight adjustability ranges and so forth), and also, I’ve heard that if you’re going to get a RRA NM 2 stage, to get the version tuned by White Oak Armament - what do they improve? I still want to use this as a last resort since it’s heavier than a 3# pull… As always, thanx in advance for any helpful info or advice!
GA SSA
the one 2 stage i have is a RR NM, it’s a tiny bit heavy for a 2stage, in my opinion- but i dont know what it pulls at nor do i even know how much a 2stage should pull at. 3.5 is light- you’re probably not going to find anything “reliable” at that weight, i’d say 4.5 is probably about right for a gun that will be doing things other than bench shooting.
the NMs come with .156" pins- you’re supposed to hammer them in (only stretches .001-.0005 of your receiver) but you can just use standard .154 pins. i’ve done it both ways, and dont notice a difference either way, so i use .154s
I think the JP is a single stage.
GA SSA?
When I said 2-stage, I don’t necessarily have to have a 2-stage, I was just under the impression that the best combat triggers are 2-stage…
So the JP is a 1 stage huh… well, I don’t see paying $140 for the JP trigger/disconnecter/springs when I could pay $140 for the entire Armalite setup, including hammer. IF, and I stress IF the full JP kit ($180) that includes the hammer and anti-walk pins is worth the extra cash, I’ll try and swing that… otherwise I’m just going to get what I can afford.
I also found a good deal on a Jard non-adjustable trigger and 4-way adjustable version, I can get either for $118, are these ok? Is available in 2, 3, and 4.5# pull weights…
I think I’ll be happy with a trigger with zero creep and a nice, glass-rod break as long as it doesn’t get over 4#… The RR and Jard are the cheapest options, just can’t make up my mind.
I’ve installed a Timney drop-in AR10 trigger in a DPMS I have, but haven’t ever really installed a regular trigger kit… anyone know any good links to a “how to” writeup or video or something? I have no doubts about whether I can do it or not, I just like to absorb as much info on a task as I can before tackling it. Thanx again!
You can still afford a Geisele. The Geisele SSA 2 Stage Combat Trigger is about $170 or so I think. It is non-adjustable unit. Talking with Amy Geisele last week, she stated this trigger measures about 4.5lb (2.5 1st stage/2 second stage).
Im really contemplating getting a pair of my FCG’s done by bill springfield.
Has anyone had Bill do work on their single stage? I have two sitting here that I’m thinking of sending along with a 10/22 trigger. I’ve heard him mentioned but no review of his work.
Topher
I didn’t see that one on their website - I’ll check again, that would be nice! About .5# too heavy, but I’d rather have a exceptional 4.5# trigger than a mediocre 3.5/4# one.
Anyone tried the Jewell trigger? I found a great deal on one of those as well…
Also, does anyone know if the RR NM or Armalite NM require much fitting? I watched the little video showing the installation of the JP trigger, and “timing” the disconnecter might be a problem for me as I do not have a belt sanding machine to make the perfect 90 degree cuts as required for fitting… Is the RR and Armalite drop in? I might be stuck having to buy the Timney, CMC (which I can’t find anywhere), or save up for a year and get the JP modular - which I think requires gunsmith installation anyways!
Go to www.adcofirearms.com and you’ll see them there. I have one on order from them, so no hands on with one yet.
These triggers are being used by some in our military I’ve read, so its possible military demand is sucking up the commercial stock for these, hence why you don’t readily see them advertised much. Maybe someone with some more knowledge with these will chime in or correct me if I am way off base.
On a side note, when I was asking Amy Geiselle questions about this trigger, she did not recommend I use a KNS trigger pin set with this: “We don’t recommend KNS pins for several reasons one is that they are not the same size as the pins that come with the trigger.” So if anybody has any practical experience with using one of those anti-rotating pin sets with this trigger, post up please.
rob_s has a small review in one of his carbine build articles on tyv.
AFAIK, Adco is the only retailer for the SSA. I’ve had one back-ordered since mid-October. They’re $151, shipped.
I just got a GA SSA earlier in the week. I think it is a great trigger for the money, so far. I haven’t been able to shoot it yet but will in the next day or so. It has a bit more creep than I like, but it is simple and looks pretty rugged. I always used a jewell in my NM days and I like it alot, mainly because it is easily adjustable with small allen wrenches. Most other triggers require bending springs and alot of trial and error and most of all…time, taking it in and out of the rifle. That said I am not sure I would want a jewell in a hard use rifle. Its got alot of pieces and while I have never had a light strike in thousands of rounds, the lock time is slow, so I may just be lucky. I have also heard that the small adjustiing screws nylon(or what ever) bushings that maintain its adjustment can be eaten away by use of gun scrubber making quick cleaning of the lower a hassle. I also once had a RRA NM in a dedicated compass lake .22 rifle. (since .22 is realy dirty)I thought it was okay for a lower price NM set up, but I wasn’t in love with the feel, and it had more creep than my newer SSA. I am not sure what WOA does to them and haven’t tried one of them.
Two questions:
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When did you order yours? I’ve been waiting since mid-October…
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Creep? You mean the first stage, right? That’s supposed to be there, right?
order???.. sorry It was a local connection for this. No, by creep, I mean that once you pull through the first stage and hit the second, it doesn’t snap like the proverbial glass rod when you put on the second pressure. When you pull through the secong stage you feel a slight bit of movement in the trigger before it breaks instead of just a sudden break. I am not an engineer but I believe it is related to the amount of sear engagement. I don’t think it is bad, probably enhances reliability. Really crisp triggers are not set and forget, they require a bit of maintenance
Please post up a review when you get around to trying it out!
For anyone else contemplating geting one, I was told by ADCO a few weeks ago that a current order for one puts the delivery date about 8-12 weeks out.