For $2000, you can get a very good Rem700 built up.
i have only found one place that has just actions (Midwest Hunters Outlet). i also didn’t know you can get AI mags with savage.
The Badger and H&S Bottom metal are both good options, there are a couple more. If detachable magazine isn’t required, then this won’t matter for AKPopo.
I’m still a bit curious how much more you’re trying to get out of this than the AR10 you currently have, accuracy wise.
pick one:
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1823047#Post1823047
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1805084#Post1805084
…but of course you must have seen them, since I saw your AR-10 listed in between!
I have decided to keep the AR 10 but what frustrates me is the inconsistency. For example my cold bore shot has been as much as 2.5 inches from my point of aim. Its almost always low between 1.5 and 2 inches. Maybe its because I clean it after I shoot it. I am going to try to leave the gun dirty longer and see if I keep more consistent accuracy. I am sure some of it maybe me. But sometimes I can get .65 inch groups and the next will be 1.5. The average is not too bad around 1.25. I really want better. I can shoot rings around my GAP (average .64 with the load it likes) with my Larue Stealth but its only a .223
Pat
That might explain it. I know that many precision shooters will fire a round after cleaning and then put it away.
In Scheels AllSports today, Rem 700 SPS for $569.00, your choice of .223 or .308.
Rings and bases, LT-123 or 719 rings, $195.00. LT-113 rail, $75.00
A great start for $839.00 + some tax and shipping.
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Thanks. I will have to save up for one. I decided to keep my GAP but I still want a really accurate bolt eventually.
pat
This in a high-end stock would be good for some people’s needs and it is already threaded.
http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire/model-700/model-700-sps-tactical-aac-sd.aspx
I think that’s a great job of meeting the market halfway; thanks for the heads-up on that model. The 1:10 twist is an eye-opener.
You can always drop it into an AICS or McMillan stock.
buy the cheapest rem 700 action and have it sent to a quality smith. This guy does some real nice work ( www.louisianaprecisionrifles.com ), and a .25 moa guarantee to boot. when i was looking into having work done on my Rem 700 i called Mike at TacOps but since he doesnt offer the tune-ups anymore he refered me to Mr. Roscoe of LA precision.
I know someone who tested 900 precision rifles for a major LE agency, and he said only about 5 of them were true 0.5 MOA rifles. 0.25 MOA is preposterous. The rifle would have to cost $30,000 as the scrap rate would be enormous (maybe 1% of production would pass).
If someone offered a 0.25 MOA guarantee they have to rely on either no one invoking the guarantee or having the ‘test’ be something like “I will fire many 3 shot groups (if you can call 3 shots a group), and eventually I will get one which is 0.25 MOA, and if so, the rifle passes.”
Not that I doubt that some tactical rifles can indeed shoot .25moa, but to get a rifle that shoots these groups sizes (5 shots per group) a person would need to be able to read the wind, much like benchrest shooting. I think that the only rifle right now that I would trust to shoot groups this small would either be a custom benchrest or HS Precision’s new BR rifle. Also how many shoots would a person get in real life, I think the major part of a tactical rifle would be the 1st cold shoot.
Cool. I will read that thread later today.
5 shot groups are not a very significant indicator of the precision of a rifle. 10 shots is a minimum and ONLY WHEN using mean radius or radial standard deviation. If you use the more common extreme spread method, then more like 25 shots are needed to compare rifles.
I don’t want to get into the TacOps accuracy discussion or to hijack this thread, so I will just say that from my own personal experience on several of the TacOps rifles, I will attest that they do exactly what Mike and TacOps claims them to do. Finest LE tactical rifle on the market IMO and I have driven many of the top makers rifles. Definitely not 900 rifles or anywhere close, but a lot.
I will also say that everywhere the rifle goes there are 2 types of people that have heard of these rifles. One group is excited and eager to check them out, the other is the “haters” who have formulated an opinion but have never fired one. A quick shooting session and letting them try it out and they are instant converts. This was the case at one of the largest and most respected sniper schools in the country, where the lead instructor (really great guy btw) fit into the “hater” category. After about day 2 or 3 having watched my partner and I pilot these rifles, he finally asked to shoot the rifle. It was apparent that it wasn’t easy for him to ask to shoot it, but he couldn’t resist any longer. Let me just say that he could only say something along the lines of, “gawd damn, that is one slick action. I hate to use the term tack driver but this rifle re-defines that statement.”
For myself it is the smoothest action and best accuracy tactical rifle, shooting factory match ammo, that I have ever laid my hands on. Oh and read the link above, Mike gave some great insight on their building specs / techniques. I will leave it at that. Mike likes to rant on the phone a bit much. Sorry Mike, lol. Keep doin what you do best my friend. 
Just to keep this one on track, if I can get a good .5MOA rifle for under 2K, is that extra money worth it for a .25 MOA rifle? Well that is up to the shooter and his / her pocketbook / needs. IMO, it isn’t necessary but it sure as hell is a nice thing and .25 MOA accuracy isn’t quite everything. A .5MOA rifle will serve you well no doubt, but I will say with a slicker than snot action, speed of accurate follow ups are much improved also.
As always, YMMV.
With highly skilled technicians using very expensive and precise equipment, “squareness” and “parallelism” of our bolts and
receiver lugs can be, and are, held to tolerances within 50 millionths of an inch.
It is very unlikely that is true. What they are saying is that, if you take 10 of their parts and measure them all, there will be no more than 0.00005 variation. That is hard to measure even with a good micrometer. Even just walking near the parts would heat them up and introduce millions of an inch of variation.
How closely is the bore centered before chambering? … Krieger checked ours, and reported that we were only 2 millionths misaligned.
Well, I cannot say Krieger did not ‘report’ this, but I don’t believe that is is actually true. That would be 0.000002.
3rdly, they are just reporting 3 shot groups which is not statistically meaningful, and they don’t even say they are limited to one try which makes it even less meaningful. They can keep on shooting 3 shot groups until one of them happens to be 0.25 or less MOA.
The industry should standardize on 30 shot mean radius at 100 yards.
I am not saying their rifle is not the most accurate rifle for under $10,000. It may be. I also don’t doubt that if you keep on firing 3 shot groups from one of their rifles, that some portion of the time some of those will be 0.25 or less. I totally believe it would be, as it would be from many nice rifles.
I am just saying, when they start out by saying things that are exceedingly unlikely to be true (like 2 millionths of runout), I already lost interest in learning more.
Just post any 30 round group from their rifle at 100 yards. Why 30 rounds? Because there is not really a ‘best’ or ‘worst’ group when you shoot a statistically significant sample like there is with 3 shot groups.