I haven’t heard a single mention of Tac-Ops rifles.
What does everyone think of those. Don’t they have a .25 MOA guarantee at 100 yards?
They are fine from what I heard but they have a long wait list.
I doubt they have a 1/4MOA guarantee unless its chambered in .223- then it might be possible. It’s impossible to have .25MOA at 100 yards when the bullet is .308…
Besides: I don’t think Tac-Ops Rifles fit into the OP’s price range…still staying on track.
Dave, those measures are center to center…
I saw no mention of an accuacy guarantee on their web site. Could someone provide the link, or quote to this fantastic guarantee. Does the weapon come with a shooter with it? I don’t beleive most guys that I have seen are capable of 1/4 M.O.A. shooting. Is the gun only guaranteed out to 100 yds.? What are the groups like beyond 100 yds.
Guys,
Been following this thread, and I’ve seen the “R700 PSS” mentioned a couple times in this thread already I think.
Now I’ve seen the 700P, but what is the “PSS” denoting? I’ve not seen “PSS” listed anywhere on Remingtons site.
Is this “PSS” possibly on the civvi site, and not on the LE site??? What does PSS mean?
Does the link below show the gun you guys have been referring to, or is this a totally different firearm??? Check it out.
PSS.
Police Sniper System.
The one you linked is the right one. Maybe that is now politically incorrect.:eek:
If you are looking for a .308 I can recommend the H-S Precision Pro-Series 2000 HTR. Mine is a tack driver.
If you are intending to hunt with it it is a bit heavy BUT it is a all SS rifle… no worries about rust
Here is an article concerning the FBI’s take on the HS vs. FN
http://www.gunsandammomag.com/cs/Satellite/IMO_GA/Story_C/Precision+Pair
also remember if you will be punching paper to consider a heavier barrel vs a “light barrel” (ie Remington 700 LTR) as the heat from a high power rifle will effect multiple follow up shots.
Good luck and let us know what you decide on
I’d have to say that for the money the FN SPRA3G (now called the SPR A5M) would be very difficult to match - much less beat.
Factory guarantee on accuracy (0.5 MOA for the life of the rifle).
I had a Steyr SSG PIIK that would shoot around 1/4 MOA (0.23 inch three shot groups center-to-center) on occasion. It never shot over 0.6 inches center-to-center at 100 yards. The average was about 1/2 inch. I’ve shot five of them (both PII and PIIK models) and none of them shot over 0.75 inches.
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I personally think 5 round groups should be the standard when using factory ammo. If you are reloading and have lot’s of experience, then I could see 10 round groups.
I think after 5 rounds, most groups will suffer from the human error.
There are a couple of route’s you can go. Get a Savage and upgrade the stock for the budget concious person that wants a tool that shoots but doesnt care about looks. A Remington 700 Varmint and stick a couple of grand into having the barreled action trued, bluprinted and re stocked. A factory SAKO Varmint rifle that will shoot .25" groups out of the box. I went the SAKO route and never looked back. My 75 will shoot 1/2" groups at 200 yds with handloads. The rifle is only half the equasion glass and mounts play a big part. A SAVAGE with a proper stock, trigger tuned properly with a Nightforce scope will come in under your $2000 limit and probably shoot as well if not better than a $2000 custom Remington.
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Gents - no harm done, but let’s keep this thread focused on rifles, and not on the merits of a particular group size for accuracy standards.
My vote is the FN SPR. You get alot more out of the box than a Remington. Most of the previous posts result in " Get a Remmy, chuck the stock, get a rail, toss this…"
The SPR comes in a McMillan stock, hammer forged barrel, NEAR or OPS rail, depending on age.
If you buy a 700 then a McMillan stock, you have passed the MSRP of a stock SPR with the stock, and you end up with a factory Remington stock nobody wants…waste of money, not to mention the 6-8 month wait on the stock.
You have to possess the knowledge to shoot any of the mentioned rifles accurately with any consistency. Rem 700, FN SPR, AI, GAP, doesn’t matter if you don’t have the know-how.
Custom builds have their place if you are in the market to spend that and are proficient enough.
To meet your <$2000 tag, SPR, save the left over for the glass. You can work into a GAP later if you get the fever.
Still called the A3G, the A5M is a completely different animal.
Look at it this way, if your job is to “shoot to verify” the 1/2 MOA group of over 50 rifles in the performance of your daily duties, to include a full 40+ hours of regular office stuff, plus travel, add in the weather and unforseen factors. So you have maybe 3 days to actually get to verify the rifles. Fed GMM 168 per factory spec.
50 x 10 rounds, (If you are PERFECT and group all 10 @ 1/2 MOA) 500 rounds.
say you get to round 7 or 8 maybe on the first rifle, you yak one out of the group, now you start over at 0. You are perfect the next 10, now the round count on a customers rifle is at 18, and you move on to gun 2. That could easily turn into a 700 round 3 days to do it 50 times with perfection, taking phone calls, daily duties as assigned, pain in the ass, not as easy as one may think.
See how that can be compounding in a hell of a hurry?
3 rounds per the requirement on 50 guns, easier to prove that the rifle can shoot, most all of those a qualified in under 5.
Toten we agree I do ten round groups to see how true the action bbl fit truly is. If it holds ten shots, after heating up I know things are right.
Many shooters have trouble concentrating for ten rounds though and thats why the makers say three or five round groups
As to Tacops, they have the .25moa thing and I will know soon if it holds true LOL. Well actually the ones I have seen on my line have held .25moa. I ordered one awhile back and its supposed to be to me before Christmas so I will see how it does with ten round groups
I went thru the usual progession PSS, SPR, GAP then an AI… expensive without the glass but addictive. I think an AI is tough to beat.
I skipped right to the GAP…oh how I covet an AI!
(my GAP build has an AICS 2.0 to keep me calm)
while not the very best the Remington 700 5R is the biggest bang for the buck ,under $1000.00 . with propper glass and pratice you can get 1/4 to 1/2 inch groups if your any good . for a factory rifle at under $1000.00 nothing I have seen beats it . 
if you have the cash a custom rifle is always nice AI,GAP,ect but the Remington 700 5R is a great place to start ,and if and when you want to upgrade they have a great resale value .
There is no doubt the 5R is a decent gun, I have one. But it is not a consistent .25 MOA rifle.
Mine is a consistent .5 - .7 MOA rifle, and that’s just fine for a factory gun.
never said constantant 1/4 inch ,said 1/4 to 1/2 inch and I have seen one do 1/4 with a Timney trigger ,bedding,and a Nightforce scope .