I like the navy qual drill. It is easy to setup and run. Maybe that could be setup as our M4C baseline metric.
And yes. The water sucked. If your username speaks to your location I’d trade the sand for the mud anytime 
I get tickled when people have convos about shooting instead of kit
For me, I think most of my issues with marksmanship are more, correct practice. Some solid instruction too. I’m mostly self taught, so I undoubtedly have some poor habits. Correct practice (for me) means paying attention to the fundamentals during drills, and going slower to ensure proper stance, trigger pull, etc. I’m of the opinion that, for me, repetition of the correct skills will help overcome cross eye dominate issues. I notice it more when I’m fatigued, or require more focus. Shooting with irons requires more focus that using an RDS.
I was out last week and had a terrible day shooting. I was preoccupied with some personal issues and it affected my accuracy big time. It was a good lesson in dealing with what was bothering me between the ears and fighting thru it. If my fundamentals were better, it would be easier to work through the distractions. So I’ve been working on a lot of fundamentals lately, such as left hand shooting to improve my sight picture and manipulation.
Will be back out Tuesday to try out the OP’s drills and see if I cam hit anything! Gonna try the drills both right and left handed just to see how “bad” I can time!
OP,
What is the target for Drill #3?
Great thread idea!
Thanks!
Whoops. C-Zone IPSC. Just updated the OP. Thanks for catching that.
You know what they say, “Mindset - Skillset - Toolset, in that order.”
Euro, this drill sounds really good. Do you have, or is there, a version of this that is cut in half? A lot of us only have access to 100 yard ranges so maybe a sprint to 100y, then back to 50y line drill?
I was told about this drill from GTF425. There isn’t necessarily a standard for it that I’m aware of like there is for the MNQ, for example.
The only change I would make is instead of prone at 100 I would kneel. Prone at 100 is too easy and maybe also reduce the target to a 1/3 IPSC.
Also, the benefit to shooting these things isn’t competing with anyone. I’m sure many people can run the MNQ here faster than 24.42, but I reduced my time by several seconds just with a days worth of practice.
As long as you are incorporating movement, reloads, and trigger pulling you are already 99% ahead of what typical AR owners are at. Run the drill in whichever manner you wish and do it the same way again and try to beat your own time.
There are some 3gun classifiers one is called times 223, 6 targets total 3 on your left at 30ft 40 ft and 56 ft it’s mirrored. You engage the first 3 from box a mag change on the run and engage the last 3 box b. Then you have triple play 9 targets in 3 arrays. First 3 are standing at 40 ft mag change to seconds spot kneeling 3 more at 80ft then move again last 3 at 150 ft prone.
If you have the ability to do so modifying the EIC combat rifle match 321 would be good too since it focuses on marksmanship not just speed although you are under time constraints. We did it all the all army small arms match. It was 400yds prone 300 prone 200 kneeling 100 standing 75 standing 25 standing if I remember correctly 10rd mags each one. And they score your hits based on where you hit. There is some movement so you’re usually 25 yds behind then you run to the firing line rack a round in and get after it. We did it with iron sights. If you modified it I think it could be a good benchmark. The eic pistol match 221 combat pistol is also in my opinion the best pistol benchmark.
I am just glad that this thread is getting almost as many posts as the ridiculous flaming shit pile that is the–and I wish I were joking–Best BackUp Bolt Cam Pin to Keep as Backup thread. Don’t worry, though, that thread has more views. Obviously that is more important & interesting to most folks than actually shooting their rifles.
I’ll be heading to the range in the next couple of days, work depending, and will see what I can manage for times on a few of these.
I don’t know the name, we did it on the 500 yard range. Start at 500 yards, run to 50, 5 shots to CM, run back to 500 then run to 100, same thing, run to 500 then run to 150, same…and so on. It takes a while and its crazy to see how many people start sucking pretty quickly. It was done with a standard target, one each, I don’t know the name. You can use any target. We did this for pre-deployment train-ups.
Damn good shooting man. Ive done under 25 seconds once. On a good day I usually score around 30 and on off days Im around 40.
I will never understand the internet’s total and complete fascination with things they don’t even use.
The abundance of discussions like the one you mentioned are the very reason I made this thread. I am out shooting twice a week running drills for time and accuracy. I’m throwing out SBR shots at IPSC targets from 600 yards away with a red dot. It isn’t until I get on the internet that I find out that’s impossible and the 5.56 SBR is a 100 yard gun.
Yeah, tell my target that. If you don’t have access to a 600y Range, or worse, you do but don’t bother to try, how would you ever know that? You couldn’t ask on the internet because a guy who shot to 300 once and sucked is going to tell you that 600 is a pipedream.
There’s gotta be guys in the shadows who don’t post and just want to learn. They don’t need to read a thread about a backup bolt cam pin to a backup bolt. They don’t need to know the latest attachment method, or why Daniel Defense laid off 100 people. They don’t need a new rifle and they aren’t trying to discuss gas port sizes. (Because they have Colts ;))
They just want to hit targets faster and more accurately and I hope they respond to this thread and get a good thing going. I want to know where I stand with drills like the MNQ.
It took me a while to figure out my gear set up, what worked and didn’t for me. My AR’s went through iteration after iteration. I got there in the end and I’m now completely comfortable with what I have and tend to spend 95% of my web time reading about shooting techniques and reloading better ammo.
I guess what I’m saying is it takes some longer to get there and for others the constant churn of buying and selling, rebuilding guns, upgrading is their fun. To your point, none of that will help their shooting skill.
I’m glad I didn’t listen to the internet or I would have never gone 3 in a row at 870 with 12.5" gun the other week (admittedly it took me 8-10 rounds to get on target and it was a large target but I’ll take that).
You guys…I can’t fricking see the damn target at 600 yards! Young eyes!
I’ve been able to hit a 1/3 IPSC steel target at 300 with some regularity with a red dot, but man is it a struggle to see the target!
Did I miss out the part where I was using a 1-6x? Oops.
Well, that does make it a little easier. :rolleyes: I had a 5x on a rifle I was regularly shooting at 500 yards and that was a bit of struggle for me. Euro says he hitting from 600 with a RDS though, and it just floors me that he can frickin’ see the target!
I have to ask - have you ever set a target out at 600 and seen for yourself if you can see it?
I have threads on here of results I have gotten shooting iron sights at 400 yards. I do feel fortunate to have young eyes, but I don’t think they are really that hard to see. A 1/2 IPSC at 600 spray painted white against a green/brown berm is pretty easy to see. I find iron sights easier than red dots for that kind of shooting because you can adjust them. A dot you have to know your hold for elevation and wind - without tickmarks its not easy.
With iron sights you just dial appropriately, and focus on the front sight while the target is blurry. All you really need is enough vision to see a crisp front sight that’s ~18" from your face. I have videos somewhere of me shooting long range with a RDS, but I feel like I remembered I had a Gopro and have been spamming the forum with videos so I’ll refrain.
Not 600, but yes at 500 yards. 1/3 IPSC I can barely see without a scope. Now the 30" X 30’ steel the range has set up on their long range I can see ok. I can hit that at 300 yards all day and 500 yards with some regularity out of an 11.5" with RDS. I remember your vid of you shooting the SBR with RDS at 600 yards. That’s when I started shooting mine beyond 200 to see if I could hit anything.
!!! a 1/3 IPSC is tiny. No wonder you can’t see it. If someone could hit that with anything less than a 10x optic, match ammo, and a stainless barrel at that range I would tip my hat. We are talking something that’s 1 MOA wide and 1.8 MOA tall.
Even a 1/2 IPSC is significantly larger, but that is a stretch. A full size C Zone painted white with a dark background at 500/600 should be relatively easy to see, and not be an unrealistic goal to hit it.