Baton, which one

[26_Inf]

@NWPilgrim

I imagine where you hit makes a world of difference. Side of knee versus thigh, rib versus bicep, elbow versus shoulder, kidney versus glute.

Generally, police are trained to strike large muscle mass areas (arms and legs) and avoid joints. The Koga method is the only one I’m familiar with that really used the butt end of the baton to aggressively strike (from the ring techniques), although the PR-24 did use jabs to deflate in conjunction with other techniques. And most riot control formations use a jab to move rioters.

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[T2C]

@26_Inf

Generally, police are trained to strike large muscle mass areas (arms and legs) and avoid joints. The Koga method is the only one I’m familiar with that really used the butt end of the baton to aggressively strike (from the ring techniques), although the PR-24 did use jabs to deflate in conjunction with other techniques. And most riot control formations use a jab to move rioters.

https://www.safariland.com/products/more.../crowd-control/batons/training-batons-and-accessories/baton-trauma-zone-chart-1000321.html

I found using the butt end of the baton quite effective for strikes to large muscle masses, and when necessary other parts of the anatomy. I found the side of the baton better suited for blocks and pushing.

[Mr_Greene]

I miss my SAP:sad:

[Hammered_Pair]

I carried a 26 in ASP, used it mostly for search, moving stuff rarely ever actually hit anything or anyone with it.

[Pappabear]

@26_Inf

IDK what use/need the OP’s son is trying to meet with a baton.

While straight sticks are nice, the problem is that very often, they are in the unit when you need them. The best thing about the expandable baton is that it is always with you.

On DV calls I would have mine out and concealed (collapsed) until I knew it wasn’t needed.

For civilian usage, I don’t think that a straight stick is more low profile than a tee-ball bat, and if push came to shove I’d rather have the tee-ball bat. As a civilian I’m not going for joint locks or pressure points with a baton.

He wants a concealable baton, He is at a University and it drives him crazy I won’t let him role with his G19. They have many break ins and tons of shifty BS. No gun is happen. So, its collapsable and that is it.

PB

[LowSpeed_HighDrag]

@Hammered_Pair

I carried a 26 in ASP, used it mostly for search, moving stuff rarely ever actually hit anything or anyone with it.

I’ve used a baton once on someone in a USOF, once on a dog, a few times for pressure points or arm extraction, and hundreds of times for going through homeless people’s belongings or poking at wild animals that wont get off the road. It seems to be a tool of the bygone days for sure, and more often than not used in other ways than striking.