Baton, which one

[Pappabear]

My son has taken an interest in Batons. Which one to get? Are the pricy ones that much better than the cheaper ones. I bought a cheap pone off Brownells, seems decent.

PB

[LowSpeed_HighDrag]

Duty or hobby?

I used an ASP repeatedly once on a very combative suspect. He told me to “f*ck off”, and I broke my hand to pieces in that fight.

I have since bought a Kogawood Straight Baton and it does the trick.

For collapsible batons, the Peacekeeper RCB is the minimum that should be carried.

[jpmuscle]

Peacekeeper is the KAC of batons. X2 there

Loved my 24” staff of justice.

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[Gunnar_da_Wolf]

I carried an ASP for years, they work but they’re not as good as 24” of hickory. I was in a Bruce Siddle class where he opined that most average cops were only effective for one or two strikes then things went downhill precipitously. After that there was much flailing and fodder for law suits with little positive effect.

[ggammell]

In my experience the best batons looks a lot like Streamlight SL-20s.

[26_Inf]

I think the Peacekeeper is just about the best expandable baton.

I believe that one of the most useful things I learned was to ‘stick’ the strike. For some reason the concept of hitting 2 inches deep and letting it ‘lay’ for a moment made a real difference in felt impact.

I think it has to do with folks pulling the strike at impact to cock back for the next strike.

[LowSpeed_HighDrag]

This is an older pic, lots of things have changed on the belt. The 29" Kogawood Baton has not. It remains, at least in a way, my safety blanket lol. Plus, it gets lots of glances from people who may be hit with it soon, and maybe changes some minds.

I owned a Peacekeeper RCB when I was a county deputy, and I thought it was too bulky. It wasn’t, carrying a straight stick is the definition of bulky.

[titsonritz]

These are supposed to be pretty good, but I don’t know…
http://www.deenside.co.uk/deenside-product-catalogue.php?pid=2734

I like the PR-24.

[usmcvet]

The aluminum expandable PR-24 is the hardest hitting baton I’ve ever used. It’s also wicked heavy!

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[Pappabear]

Thank you for the replies guys. Good info in an area I have no experience.

PB

[Pappabear]

@LowSpeed_HighDrag

This is an older pic, lots of things have changed on the belt. The 29" Kogawood Baton has not. It remains, at least in a way, my safety blanket lol. Plus, it gets lots of glances from people who may be hit with it soon, and maybe changes some minds.

I owned a Peacekeeper RCB when I was a county deputy, and I thought it was too bulky. It wasn’t, carrying a straight stick is the definition of bulky.

LOL mi amigo. Its a nice deterrant ehh? ha

PB

[T2C]

A 26" hardwood baton would serve anyone well. In the right hands, it can be used to control someone considerably larger in size than the person using the baton.

[26_Inf]

IDK what use/need the OP’s son is trying to meet with a baton.

While straight sticks are nice, the problem is that very often, they are in the unit when you need them. The best thing about the expandable baton is that it is always with you.

On DV calls I would have mine out and concealed (collapsed) until I knew it wasn’t needed.

For civilian usage, I don’t think that a straight stick is more low profile than a tee-ball bat, and if push came to shove I’d rather have the tee-ball bat. As a civilian I’m not going for joint locks or pressure points with a baton.

[just_a_scout]

This

http://american-rattlesnake.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Chicago_Police_helmet__billy-club.jpg

Or this is even better

https://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/used-german-police-spring-baton-with-case?a=151174

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[WillBrink]

@LowSpeed_HighDrag

Duty or hobby?

I used an ASP repeatedly once on a very combative suspect. He told me to “f*ck off”, and I broke my hand to pieces in that fight.

I have since bought a Kogawood Straight Baton and it does the trick.

For collapsible batons, the Peacekeeper RCB is the minimum that should be carried.

Never thwacked anyone with an ASP or similar, but always amazed at the complete lack of effect when watching vids of their use by LE. I’m sure they hurt, but appear of little value with a person who does not care about some pain, at least where LEOs are authorized to strike people with them.

[26_Inf]

@WillBrink

Never thwacked anyone with an ASP or similar, but always amazed at the complete lack of effect when watching vids of their use by LE. I’m sure they hurt, but appear of little value with a person who does not care about some pain, at least where LEOs are authorized to strike people with them.

Like anything, you need to practice - it takes me three times as many hits with a hammer to drive the same nail as someone who does it for a living.

Most police officers don’t practice enough to ingrain good technique. There components of technique at work - hitting someone with an unlocked wrist and letting the baton bounce, versus hitting them with the intent to drive the baton through the appendage.

[titsonritz]

@just_a_scout

Or this is even better

https://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/used-german-police-spring-baton-with-case?a=151174

Those just piss people off more.

[just_a_scout]

Yeah, but they sure hurt like hell when you’re a drunk GI in a bar fight.

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[NWPilgrim]

@26_Inf

Like anything, you need to practice - it takes me three times as many hits with a hammer to drive the same nail as someone who does it for a living.

Most police officers don’t practice enough to ingrain good technique. There components of technique at work - hitting someone with an unlocked wrist and letting the baton bounce, versus hitting them with the intent to drive the baton through the appendage.

I imagine where you hit makes a world of difference. Side of knee versus thigh, rib versus bicep, elbow versus shoulder, kidney versus glute.

[SeriousStudent]

I wonder if we need a “Staff of Learning” picture thread?

Hmmmm…