So I’ve come to the conclusion lately that instead of being a marketers dream lately in the gun world, I want to go back to basics. I want to learn to shoot way better than I do now, and tighten my groups up and shoot longer distance. I’m looking for a good, reliable, accurate 9mm to help me get there. This will be primarily used as a range and training tool, as well as HD and POSSIBLY CCW. Any suggestions on the perfect gun for this? I was thinking G17, G19 or M&P 9FS as I love the striker designs for less perceived muzzle flips and getting a high grip.
For HD, CCW, and training I prefer the Glock 19. My G19 is an early 2010 model and it runs like a top! If you search the board you will see lots of good information regarding the issues with the newer Gen 3 and 4 Glocks. I have a Gen 4 G17 that was made in the summer of 2010, and after a trip back to Glock for the new ejector and RSA, it has been fine.
This week I will be picking up a new production (Nov 2011) Glock 19. We will see how it runs soon.
Thanks guys. I think the real question is which of those 3 prove to shoot the most accurate and support good training. The funny thing is, I’ve owned the 19 and mp9 in the past, and I always come back to the 19 for some reason. Would the 17 or FS9 promote better shooting and accuracy since its full size?
You need to go with what is comfortable for you to shoot.
The Glock, M&P, XD(m), series are all good and proven. There are features and advantages to each so the answer to your question is my first sentence in this post.
If CCW is only a distant maybe, go with a 5" model of the above guns. If CCW becomes more probable, I’d recommend the 4". A 4" with a match Bar-Sto barrel may be more accurate than a factory 5"…
Ok, so by no means do I wanna start a flame war or anything but if you HAD to choose one or the other for accuracy, would it be the M&P or the glock? I only ask because I read a few bad accuracy threads on some M&P9s…
ejewels - if you get a properly working G19, it simply can’t be beat for reliability, size efficiency, and shootability. I think the Glock family is a safer bet for more consistent accuracy at farther distances than the M&P.
ejewls didn’t you post not to long ago with questions about a Hk45c and eventually got one. Why the switch ?
You mentioned you liked SFA guns. You mentioned you keep coming back to a g19. It seems to me you already have your answer. Why don’t you stick to one platform and focus on that one platform and forget other pistols. I would sell the hk45c and get two older g19s. A g19 is plenty accurate for what you are wanting it for.
Lol. Get a glock 19, sure, but why would he sell possibly the best modern handgun in existence for two G19’s?? Does he really need two identical guns, especially when he’s already got a superior firearm? The accuracy and ergonomics of the HK45 are remarkable. I say keep the HK45 and get a Glock 19 to compliment it.
Without knowing the basics, you cannot say which gun will be more accurate for YOU.
The mechanics of the M&P cause me to group to the LEFT of my intended point of aim.
I shoot my Glocks dead center.
Can i shoot the same size groups with both guns? Yes but i would much rather choose the gun i shoot dead center.
No one can tell you which gun is more accurate for you. Even statistical samples of group sizes on paper mean nothing if you cannot physically manipulate the firearm.
Unfortunately, this is going to come down to you shooting each of these pistols that you are interested in…A LOT and then picking whichever one you find you shoot and manipulate better.
I’m not seeing the advantages of an 8-round, .45 ACP over the Glock 19. If I did, I would probably carry a 1911, not an HK45C.
The grip is very short and very slick. You pretty much have to get it stippled 360 degrees. Why they would design this neat, little gun and provide no real grip surface on the lateral portions is hard to understand. The surface on the USP is perfect.
Why not get a hk p30 dimensionally the same as a glock 19 but with a full size grip, and more importantly it has the same manual of arms as the hk 45c , and it is extremely accurate. Just another thought to add.
I recommend shooting a DA/SA gun if you are trying to master the fundamentals. Mastering the DA pull will pay dividends on any other handgun you shoot since it forces you to be smooth and consistent with your trigger pull.
I feel that striker fire guns like the Glock and SA guns like the 1911 really mask poor trigger control IMO
I have owned both of the guns you are referencing too and currently carry a p30 LEM. “Best” is subjective to the individual. It depends what features a certain individual wants or needs. Hk’s are great quality firearms but there are other platforms that get the job done as well. As many other well qualified people have recommended a older g19 is a good all around defensive gun especially for someone who does not know really what they want in a gun which is evident from the OP 's thread asking about what pistol he should get.
Does he need two guns? No
Is it wise to have a identical backup of your carry gun? Yes
Let’s just say gun(x) has a issue or breakage and the gun is down or it has to be sent to the factory for repair…now what? Just go with out a gun for next few weeks?
Seriously the benifits of having two or more identical pistols that are for defensive or duty use has been discussed many times before.
