Has anyone found a good set of iron sights that work for the B&T apc line? I picked up my 16” APC223 on Friday and swapped the trigger for the shooting sight apc trigger, took off the flash hider for the pending arrival of a surefire FH and added the B&T folding skeleton stock.
The folding magpul sights that come with it, are way too tall to get a cheek weld. It shoulders more like a nice over/under than an AR. Which is sweet! Actually, the little plastic notch sights molded into the folded sight are the perfect height. Was thinking that maybe a set of HK416 irons might work well. The drum rear and fixed front would be pretty slick. Or Troy micros for folding. Anyone tried?
I’ve played with an aimpoint Comp M3 in a an old low mount and a Steiner P4xi in a ADM recon SL to see if they work. Both could stand to be lower. If I keep the Steiner for now will probably get separate rings to bring it down to about 1” optical center. Could even go ~.94 like the ARC M10 low.
They do. But the muzzle device is one of the 922r options and the B&T version doesn’t have the indexing pin for the Surefire Suppressors. It would fit, but you’d lose the repeatability.
If work and weather cooperate I will shoot it for the first time tomorrow. I’ve just been screwing around with it in my workshop comparing it to my 805.
Based on that, the trigger is better, it feels lighter and better balanced. And the stock is amazingly better! The sights have the same problem the CZ does. Too high to get a cheek weld. I put an ACR adapter on the Bren to fix that, and it’s a functional improvement but the coyote stock doesn’t match the gun.
The 16.5” pistol has 15x1 rh threads. A warcomp isn’t an option. So it’s getting the FH.
Tonight I pulled the sights off my scorpion and mounted them on the B&T. It’s pretty close. I could go slightly taller. Troy micros would be in the neighborhood at ~ 1.1” tonthe optical center. I’m trying to find out the height of center on the HK416 rail mounted sights… or even sig 550 diopterts… my 551 has welded sights.
Depending on how it shoots, I will either form 1 it to make it a 308mm rifle (~ 12.1”). Or if I like it enough I’ll leave it title 1 at 16.5” and form 1 the Bren at 11” because I believe that would greatly improve that rifle. Or liquidate the Bren and get another.
Based solely on taking it apart and playing with it. Get one. You won’t regret it.
Have you played with the different apertures on the CZ sights? Couldnt find any info in the manual on whether or not they were for different ranges… the local dealer I bought the pistol from is letting me try a set of Troy Micros.
I made it to the range today. And this gun is a great shooter!!! I shot groups with 55 gr 223, 62 gr Hornady 556 Black, Winchester 855 and IMI 77 grain. It shot everything well!!! It liked the 55gr the least and the Hornady the most. I played with the aimpoint and the Steiner P4xi. This rifle has the accuracy potential that I think either a low powered variable or something fixed like an ACOG would be perfect.
So, the aimpoint is out. The Steiner is too big. Looks unwieldy. But the reticle and the 4x are nice to have. It sits too high in the ADM recon SL Mount. Which places that the height above the rail at 1.1”. I’m going to look at other LPV optics. Maybe a nightforce 1-4? Wouldn’t save weight but would save on size and bulk.
Another thought is an ACOG T33? Or T50? I’ve not used either. Love my TA11. Will find one to play with. I’ve seen mounts that claim an optical axis around .8 - .9”? Will need to do some research.
As an aside, I realized that I’ve never shot decent ammo through the Bren. Primarily that fiocchi 55gr. I take back a lot of what I’ve said about it’s accuracy potential. It shot everything else well! But nowhere near as well as the B&T.
I forgot that when I was researching this I thought HK MP7 sights looked perfect. They had sites when folded too like the plastic B&T ones. 300$ for the set seemed reasonable too. Availability seems to be the issue.
I wonder what the height above rail is in those. The SL8 sights looked promising. And are cheap. But i could never find a picture of how they attach.
I found a takeoff set of Scorpion sights for $80. I’ll play with those and if they work I’ll keep them. Maybe if these rifles take off, manticore or someone will come out with a propper sight set. The 16” gun has enough inherent accuracy that I think a drum rear and a hooded front like the San Swiss 550 would work great! I’ll email manticore and see if they have any interest. If there are enough of these guns for geiselle and shooting sight to make triggers? For that matter, perhaps B&T would do it. They are a small company with a seemingly flexible production capability.
Now I’m on to optics. I’m really leaning towards a NF 1-4. The TA 50 is a nice size but the listed eye relief worries me.
I have an APC223 8.7in bbl and also found the factory BUIS too high. I ended up replacing them with Troy Micros and mounting my T1 on an ADM CASV mount. This allows cowitness of the Troys with the T1 at about 29mm above the rail.
I like the 8.7in but have the original non fluted one and find it a bit heavy. I’m not sure the fluted version would be that much lighter. How do you find the weight of the 16in?
To be honest. I don’t really notice the weight so I haven’t really compared it to an AR. It feels lighter than the 805, and feels more compact. It balances well and seems like the weight is centered around the receiver. My next range trip, I’ll bring an AR along too so I can get a feel. That said, “feel” is rather subjective. And I’m 6’3" and roughly 275. (Should be 225-230) My SR25 APC feels about perfect.
The plan is to mount the CZ sights, figure out an optic, and bring a few boxes of soft point ammo to see if I get the same feeding issues I’ve read about. I ran it with Lancer AWM 20 mags and didn’t have any problems.
I did find a set. And they work pretty well. No ranging, but the height of optical center is perfect. I haven’t played with them much because life and pregnant wife have kept me busy. I did order an NX8 and a set of .885” rings. Just haven’t had time to mount it.
