This was a quick trial.
Deservedly so. I know this subject has been beat to death here and members hold widely divergent opinions. However, in my opinion the “castle doctrine” was never intended to allow a person to be judge, jury, and executioner, even in their own home.
Yeah I’m usually the bad guy in these threads as I hold to the belief that if all these “kids” were not out committing felonies then they would still be among the living. And you have to look at the bright side; these little angels will not be victimizing anyone in the future.
All true. And the guy is still guilty of murder.
True. Just because one party is found guilty of a crime does not mean the other party is innocent either. If one of the teen burglars had survived they could be tried for murder as well.
all up to the DA… im sure nancy grace would have shit a cow if a kid survived and was tried… tragic either way.
The age old motto, “Loose Lips Sink Ships!”
If he had not recorded the incident and kept his mouth shut, he probably would have never gone to trial.
Didn’t need to unload a G19 mag into the 2 of them either. The whole story line was wrong, as 2 wrongs will not have a good outcome.
The guy definitely seems to be over the edge. But, if the two happy go luck, loved to play sports, picture perfect teens hadn’t broke into his house they wouldn’t have been shot!
Premeditated? Sure looks that way. It seemed like he had a pretty good idea somebody was going to break in that night. Maybe the guy was so far gone that he sat in his basement every night waiting for intruders. Not calling 911 immediately? Way messed up. Honestly, wouldn’t everyone of us that has thought of a plan to defend our homes against intruders(armed or otherwise) be guilty of premeditation?
The whole thing stinks. It sure isn’t going to help responsible, rational gun owners.
Why in cornbread-hell were they breaking into this wierdo’s house, anyway. I don’t know enough of the facts to convict him, but he certainly sounds off his rocker.
It seems to me that everyone lost in this deal, and all are at fault. There is no satisfaction or justice in any of this for me, at all, not even the least bit. This is just some more proof that this whole world has gone plum crazy.
Hmmm… How can a crime be premeditated if the ‘victim’ was the aggressor and started everything with a felony B&E? This is a tough one for me as I feel the guy is a weirdo but it seems like they got him on a couple technicalities. Seems like maybe they determined that he’d be less of a threat to society behind bars because he might be a little but of crazy but if that’s the case then they might do anyone of us the same way. Nice ‘Treyvon’ job by the media finding pictures of them from years prior when they were cute and innocent. I still don’t get how he knew they were going to break into his house. I mean, isn’t that the requirement for premeditation? Who ‘knows’ someone is going to break into their house enough in advance to move their truck and prepare all this for them? That, much like the rest of this story, is just odd. It sucks two young adults died but had they not made the premeditated conscious decision to break into another citizen’s home it never would have happened. Seems to me like that should weigh heavier than some weird things someone said following an adrenaline dump after having to use justifiable homicide to defend himself in his own home.
I think what did him in was admitting to the “finishing shots”.
I agree. All of the “premeditated” blather was icing on the cake, but without the “finishing shots” there would be nothing but self defense.
He was probably upset over the bold stealing from neighbors. But the idea is to “shoot to stop” a threat, not shoot to kill.
Anyone breaking into another’s house ought to understand the person inside may or may not be mentally stable, or may or may not follow the law in defending their home. You break and enter at your own risk.
It absolutely was the finishing shots.
This is a perfect example of why as soon as you use your CCW you:
Call 911, report the incident.
Call Your Lawyer.
STFU
If he hadnt recorded the incident and admitted to finishing shots he , even according to a juror, might still be a free man.
I know we all feel the same way about scumbags B&E, but under no circumstances can anyone lawfully execute someone who is no longer a threat.
Exactly.
I don’t know about anyone else, but that audio is horrific. He executed them, plain and simple. Yes he had every right to defend his home, but wow…to stand over someone and execute them?
I’d like to go back to not knowing about this.
Sounds like everyone got what they deserved, in the end.
Yep, he sounds like a loon.
He murdered two people. He is guilty and needs to go away.
Conversely…
Two felons intending to victimize someone learned a valuable lesson, if only for a few seconds.
All parties were wrong and human filth.
Although… YES… the world seems to have gone nuts… you can’t really take whacko shit from nut bag Minnesota and use it as a baseline for the relatively normal other States in the continental US.
Not going to cry for the shitbag felons, play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
The shooter got what he richly deserved as well.
Dang that offends me and I’ve never even been to Minnesota. Of course we all know how much you love us here in the northeast as well. :eek:
Not going to listen to that tape, have enough slop in my head from reading the news. I’ll stand my ground like anyone and certainly never burglarized a house, but by all accounts what that man did was inexcusable.