Elections have consequences:
Is this a draft document or about to be put into use?
It’s the draft version of what could happen if 41P goes into effect.
Well lets hope that shit doesnt go through.
YA definitely looks like “scare tactics” to sell Suppressors. I’m glad I’ve spent the year USIMG my resources to acquire NFA and will continue to do so until I no longer can. Here is a news flash, nothing can stop the current administration from implementing 41p, it would be illogical to think this won’t go through.
My grandfather always said “Hope in one hand and piss in the other, and see which one fills up first”. If everybody that owns a firearm/suppressor was a NRA, ASA, etc. member, we would not have to hope. But unfortunately that’s not the case.
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When? I thought we were looking at January 2015, is that still ATF target date?
I read the proposed rule and the CLEO requirement for trusts was voluntary after 41p.
Sure, fingerprints and a picture suck. But you can still use trusts to do what you need to do.
Voluntary? Good luck with that! Fingerprints and pictures every time you add something is a nuisance, CLEO sign off makes NFA stuff unobtainable for a lot of people including myself. Once this goes through I can assure you there will be nothing voluntary about it.
I am searching, but I swear I read that because the statute doesn’t allow them to do it.
The silencer companies must love the increased business.
ETA it appears my information is dated. Sucks.
Hey. What happened to all the WILL NOT COMPLY folks?
The only way to get past 41p when it goes through is to either live in a county with a strongly pro 2a sheriff who will sign or shall issue style legislation on the state level. Which means for us getting out and voting for Rick Scott November 5th, far from a perfect governor he is strongly pro 2a as he’s signed all pro 2a legislation to hit his desk and has promised to sign open carry if a bill reaches his desk. With Florida now allowing hunting with suppressors, a republican super majority and Rick Scott as governor I believe we can lobby to get that very bill passed.
I’m not saying it’ll be easy, but remember that there’s a list of people that qualify as CLEO…it’s not just the sheriff. If you do the legwork, it’s very possible you’ll find one of them that will sign.
6.2.4 Law enforcement certification. As provided by the regulations, the law enforcement certification located on the back of Form 1 must be completed and signed by the local chief of police or county sheriff, the head of the State police, the State or local district attorney or prosecutor, “or such other person whose certificate may in a particular case be acceptable to the Director.”97 Examples of certifying officials, other than those specifically mentioned in the regulations, who have been found to be acceptable are State attorneys general, heads of district State police offices and certain State court judges. Judges’ certifications have been accepted if the judges preside over courts of general jurisdiction having original jurisdiction in all civil and criminal cases or the authority to conduct criminal jury trials in felony cases. Generally, State magistrates and constables do not have such authority. NOTE: no official’s certification will be accepted unless the official has jurisdiction over the place where the applicant resides. The signature on each copy of the certification must be an original signature in ink. NOTE: if the Form 1 being submitted is to reactivate a properly registered unserviceable firearm, the law enforcement certification is not required. See Section 6.6.
6.2.4.1 What if the proposed maker is unable to find any official in his or her jurisdiction willing to sign the law enforcement certification? The inability to find any official to sign the certification will not excuse the requirement for the certification. In that event, the proposed maker will not be able to obtain an approved Form 1 to lawfully make an NFA firearm.
Which means in my home county, Palm Beach it would be virtually impossible without a close connection to get anything signed off on, statists hold virtually all offices down here. “Shall Issue” style legislation, particularly one that goes through the state police for approval would be what is needed. Not sure where you live but this is an important election for us in Florida, I feel good about our chances of getting this kind of legislation passed in a post 41p world… I’ll still be making purchases however until this thing goes into effect.
Martin county, just up the road has a young sheriff who signs off… Moving there would be the only chance I’d ever have to get any NFA items in the future without “shall issue” legislation dealing with NFA. Considering I have a lot of family here, if hate to have to move yet again but I’ve already moved once from NY to FL for freedom and would likely move again if it came to it.
The major reason to trust (CLEO Signature) goes away. The only remaining reason to trust is to ensure (for now) passthru to your heirs at least one generation.
That and multiple possessors, of course.
True, but if you have a trusted non-family member in your trust (as I do in order to ensure someone capable can assist until my heir reached adulthood), it’s going to get a lot harder to ask them to do it for you…
That’s my issue. My dad works for the Chief of Police, who has stated AR-15s should be banned. However, the same week he was quoted in the paper saying that, he said he’d sign my F1. So, I could probably get signatures for me and my wife. The third trustee, however…lives <10 minutes from me, but about 500yds into the next county.
So, the 9 stamps I’ve had approved this year, plus the six that are pending, will be my collection for quite awhile if 41 P goes through.
I quoted the statute above because a lot of people ask the Sheriff, and maybe the Chief, and then think they have no other options.
anyone who relies on NFA items for thier livelyhood should be shitting thier pants right now. or at least the smart ones should.