Ashley Madison leak

Everyone blames hackers, but aren’t these kinds of things usually an inside job?

Wait, that sentence was oddly suggestive and not what I meant.

Aren’t these kinds of data breaches usually the result of a disgruntled employee, a vengeful former employee, or jaded vendor?

Well, at least he want beating around the bush…

Don’t believe so no. Usually straight up outside hackers looking for data to sell.

First, Georgia does have an astronomical STD, however it is most prevalent in a certain demographic that has the most out of wedlock births and fewest abortions.
There are areas that have extreme HIV infection to almost African and Thailand levels.

Think High Schools.
Pretty gross.

Also people have been committing suicide over this leak.
That’s just really sad.

I don’t want to make light of that fact, and getting outed as having been on some hook up site for married people could be very damaging to some no doubt. But, if you’re willing to off yourself over that, you have lead one very sheltered life if that’s the worst you have faced that would lead you to that. Put on your big boy pants, harden the fu&$ up, and realize, as my mother used to say “this too shall pass” and drive on. Obviously, stepping out on a significant other comes with an inherent risk you may get caught at that. I place no moral judgements on those who do/did (as it’s frankly none of my business) but being prepared to accept the results of that is part of the equation to it.

No one was killed, no laws broken, and in the grand scheme of things, mean nadda to no one and is between they and their significant other who is really the only (potentially) harmed from it. There’s far worse things one could do.

Perspective, people need some…

Yeah it’s sad that people can’t deal with their guilt. They had no problem doing what they were doing, until they got caught. Taking the cowards way out, so they can just inflict more pain on their families? Sounds like awesome individuals.

You took the words right out of my finger tips.

I don’t know the particulars, but it isn’t always a cowards way out. Given the honor codes necessary I doubt it applies in this case, but for some…if they do something they consider intolerable and they simply can’t live with it, I can understand ending their existence.

As a for example, if a child molester TRULY came to terms with what he has done and the pain he has caused, I could see that person checking themselves out. But again, if a person has such strict codes, they generally don’t screw up their family and mess with kids in the first place.

Another example is the last episode of Sons of Anarchy.

That $500K reward is nothing compared to the money paid to the hacker(s) by the guild of divorce attorneys who paid them for the data! :jester:

Just another example of their selfishness

In this circumstance, possibly. But generally? Yea, no.

Without totally derailing the thread, how do you figure that suicide is not selfish? Sure, many people can’t see a way out of many things, but they rarely think to look at the ripples they leave when they burn in.

My dad died of cancer when I was 17, it left a hole in me, a lot of things not done, not resolved, yet I knew he didn’t want to leave, it wasn’t his choice.

I would have been devastated if dad had taken his own life (assuming he didn’t have cancer); I, as many do, would have taken it to mean that he didn’t want to stick around for his family. Think of what suicide does to the wife, kids, friends, all who feel somewhat, or, a lot, guilty that they didn’t see the anguish, didn’t know how to help, or were the cause.

Imagine the mountain of shame someone will feel when they look their wife and kids in the face.
Not everyone of these guys thought that far ahead in the game to expect that they would ever have to do that. I dont agree with suicide, but I can see someones twisted logic in it.

Or that your wife is also a member and has been racking up the charges…

I wonder if any wives signed their husbands up?

ETA: it’s not shame if you only feel it after you’ve been caught, maybe chagrined is the right word.

Question, sorry if it’s a tough one.

If it were now, and your father was dying of cancer and the “good days” were all used up and he was in great pain. If he had the option of checking out early and avoiding two more weeks of agony before the inevitable, what would you want for him?

Depending on circumstances, I don’t generally think that suicide is cowardly. But I do think that it is - again, generally - selfish.

Those who have taken their own lives in response to their data being leaked brought this on themselves. They chose to engage in behavior that they knew would cause discord within their families - and then they chose to take their own lives as a result of the discord that they caused.

The only brightside that I can see is that it saves the spouses the expense and heartache of a drawn-out divorce.

About 30 percent of breaches are a result of what is commonly referred to as an “insider threat”. That number is dropping, according to several annual studies.

One of the things I do at my organization is “gruntling classes”. If disgruntled employees do bad things, maybe it’s cheaper and easier to keep them gruntled?

I thought I handled that one in my original post when I noted - assuming he didn’t have cancer. That would be his choice to hasten and ease an imminent, inevitable conclusion. I would hope that he wouldn’t forget to say goodbye and let me tell him goodbye also. In that respect I would not call it selfish.

Finding you have cancer, coming home and hanging yourself in the garage for whomever opens the garage door to find, selfish.

Not that hard to differentiate.

Sorry I missed that in your post.

And yes, the method is important. I would only condone hanging, shooting or other traumatic methods under the most dire circumstances.

I actually went through something like this with my father several years ago. He was in a lot of trouble, thirty years he had Hodgkin’s and back then the treatment was full body, rather than targeted, radiation. Many people in the treatment group didn’t make it at all, and my father was the last one from the group still alive when he went into the hospital.

Basically he got 30 bonus years but it took 20 years away from his life expectancy, and that is 30 more years than many of them got. I would not have really known my father otherwise and he would have died while I was very young.

When things started to slide, they went kinda fast. So fast that when I started the red cross emergency leave process for my brother who was deployed, he missed seeing his father by about 12 hours. It was really a terrible situation.

I was severely conflicted because I didn’t want my father to suffer if that was all that was left for him, but I was hoping he’d hang on long enough for my brother to make it home. I never could decide which was the more selfish position. I know he was hurting, but I also know he would have wanted to see my brother one more time, at that point I didn’t know which was more important to him.

The main thing I learned is there usually aren’t good outcomes, only terrible ones and much worse ones.