The L word is a great insight into the majority of lesbian’s chosen lifestyle. The diesel mechanic, bulldagger lesbians are pretty much confined to Germany and led by Angela Merkel. 
I have no problem with other people’s choices of who they want to bump uglies with; the flamboyant people are pushing their equality back to 'Don’t ask-Don’t tell" territory and that’s the best thing that can happen to the military.
While I agree with your original premise, I and many others will consider your first two sentences here to be “extreme”. Simply put, YOU and DoD don’t have a right to tell women whether they have to be OK with a mandate to shower with a pre-op tranny. You also don’t have a right to exclude them from military service or punish them because they don’t want to shower with a pre-op tranny.
Simply put, a tranny is going to feel fearful showering with actual men and women are going to be mostly uncomfortable to actually fearful showering with one. Since austere condition postings aren’t going to allow for multiple segregated facilities ,they should not be allowed to serve anywhere those conditions can’t be met.
We can discuss whether they should be in the military at all somewhere else, but all this feel-good BS is not conducive to good military discipline or force readiness. 
I’m thinking that if you are too fat to enlist you lose weight.
If you don’t pass the ASVAB you study for it.
If you have a record you get it expunged and get a waiver.
But…
If you have Man parts and want Lady parts, well, just come on in…
Really?
And a potential service member placing their own personal preferences ahead of chain of command is Military Discipline? Again, no one is being restricted.
If you don’t like something enough to refuse to look past it, that’s a personal issue.
Like economic growth, if this is a true issue, the lack of enlistment will speak for itself.
Anyone who wants to be a part of that higher calling has higher standards.
Service Members priority should be serving our nation. They can be political, have preferences, and voice their concerns. But if they cannot put their baggage on hold to serve our nation and the orders from chain of command, they don’t have to enlist. No one is forcing them either way.
Military Discipline is more than just that statement. It’s many things, many more than I will ever understand, but an important piece is setting your personal baggage to the side while serving your country.
Keep in mind, I don’t say this to say people are wrong that’s merely opinion. But the fear mongering from our own community, my original point before words were put in my mouth, was that we should focus on legitimate concerns, not something that our service members should have enough discipline to be mature about.
My two cents. I know its not popular, but its still a valid opine.
Nonetheless, I can understand how my rapport about not enlisting can be extreme, to many, but that’s america. Free to make your choice, or not. DoD may mandate it, and if it’s not something you agree with, you either deal with it within the change, or get out and try to change it from the outside.
Actually, I was asking a question. I never implied anything beyond your actual statement.
And I was unaware that…
“any enlisted member can’t get beyond those personal preferences, they can elect their own future.”
…was a possibility.
It’s odd to me that “non transitioning” males would ever be allowed to be naked in front of female (some as young as 18) service members.
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Ironically, I agree with most of this…just from the other side.
And nobody is putting words in your mouth. It’s just a discussion.
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I will secede on the words in my mouth statements.
Apologies for insinuating such, I hope you can see why I would have thought that, but still no reason to retaliate with my passive agressive statements.
I do appreciate the conversation.
No biggie. I’ve had my moments as well…it IS the Internet after all
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So you’re saying all I have to do is strap on a manzier bro and I can go shower with some 18 year old females?
As goofy and potentially problematic as that policy will be, I’d say the answer to your Q is no. The mil is not a democracy. Mil members here can correct me of that’s off base.
I would assume you to be correct.
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Phobic my ass. It ain’t normal, and neither you nor the new-age libtard freak-show get to define what is “normal”.
Got news for ya chief, his statement isn’t radical…it’s freaking NORMAL.
You know, I understand, and, for the most part, agree with your thoughts. You stated your opinion in an appropriate manner, I hope it is received as such.
But, having not served, maybe you have not thought about how disruptive this will be to the morale of some units, not all but some.
For the most part you are talking soldiers either in their late teens or early twenties, not completely mature adults, many who will have never been exposed to transsexualism.
I don’t think many on this board are homophobic, but many speak with the knowledge of what it actually means to be a soldier, sailor, airman or Marine. At it’s root, what is needed from our military is selfless sacrifice for the good of the whole.
It should not be about the individual’s wants and needs, but rather the needs of the Nation, and therefore the service. Unfortunately, too often the former seems to be the case.
Several things about this bear further discussion:
Are folks in the middle of the gender reassignment process going to be allowed to enlist?
For those soldiers currently serving, is gender reassignment considered elective surgery? Not to be coarse, but does Flat-chested Phyllis get enhanced on the government dime? Does Pencil-dick Pete get some length and girth added on our dime? Shouldn’t be.
Most of these folks who are currently-serving and want to be gender reassigned could be honorably discharged and be allowed to reenlist and their previous rank within a specified time after their reassignment surgery is done. That would allow them to be assigned to another unit in their new identity, or if they choose back to the old unit. I know that sounds a little flaky, but shit, the theme seems to be meet everyone’s needs except the mission.
Early on I posted about the impact on morale in the unit. Thinking further, if ‘Joe’ is in a unit and has been carrying his weight and is okay to get along with, pretty sure most of the folks would be willing to accept ‘Josephine’ with little drama, so maybe the morale issue is overthinking.
It is still disturbing to see the focus slipping more and more to individual wants and needs rather than the whole.
JM probably disjointed $.02
ETA: I’m really embarrassed that it did not register that the article was not necessarily talking about folks in the middle of reassignment surgery, but rather those who weren’t going to get the plumbing rearranged. My bad.
Their “baggage” isn’t baggage. The freaks don’t get to define what is normal. Never should have been able to, but 8 years of Shitstain and his lefty conglomerate tried to fundamentally change us, but it didn’t work. Welcome to the NEW (but yet the true) America.
You wanna be a freak? Fine, no one is advocating dragging you into the street and killing you. No one is saying you can’t do this or do that. What is being said is that ramming it down our throats and attempting to tell us what is now “normal” is total bullshit.
Let me be more succinct and maybe my point will come across as more than just total and unequivocal pushback (which it is). The “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy was in fact brilliant, despite Clinton being the one who implemented it. No one cares who you want to have sex with, and it doesn’t matter. That said, to force your personal lifestyle choices on EVERYONE (and that is an understatement when it comes to the military) is being a bit self-serving and attention whore-ish. The military is a melding of society’s cross-section. Special categories don’t cut it. There is a reason that all male recruits get their heads shaved. It promotes uniformity and reduces individuality, as you must perform as a UNIT. That is the idea behind it. “Special” snowflakes can and do serve but must realize that their personal peculiarities are without a doubt secondary to the big picture.
The objective of the left for the last fifty years has been to redefine"Normal".
If we are willing to play this game then, like the fat kid, the dumb kid or those needing any other type of waiver for enlistment, perhaps those needing to transition their sexual Identity need to accomplish this before enlistment?
Just because POTUS Obama wanted to cripple our Armed Forces doesn’t mean we need to play along.
I may be the Lone Ranger in this opinion, but why the heck hasn’t that already been done?
I get so freaking tired of the double standard.
My son knocked up a girl he picked up in a bar when he was home on leave. My grandson was just beginning to walk the first time I saw him, called my son and told him, I wouldn’t bother fighting this, he’s yours. Soon after it comes time to start paying child support, which he did without complaint. Then they went after him to pay for the medical expenses associated with the pregnancy and delivery - all of them. Took him nearly a year to talk sense into them and get them to split the bill down the middle.
Equal rights my ass. Only when it is going the way they want.
No kidding. If we did ACTUAL equality in this country people would lose their minds. College admissions would be something like 80% asian and jewish kids who have been cracking the books before the rest of us even thought about trying to get into college. There would probably be 4 white guys in the entire NFL.
I could see having lesbians shower with straight men and gay men showering with women before I can the trans people. No one wants someone to be playing with themselves while looking at you in the showers.