Getting back into an AR10…reviews seem good on both. One is a true AR10, so I know the difference of the SFAR.
Cost is similar, a few upgrades to the DEF10 would be done.
It’s going to be one of these, help me decide gents.
Are you going to carry it a lot? If so, I think the short frame 308 gas guns are a good choice. Bench shooting, full size is pretty well sorted out.
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Yes, it’ll be carried 12-16 miles here in the Rockies in the summer and hunting season.
Guess I’m curious, from a more experienced user than myself which is likely to serve me better in such a rugged environment - I was leaning Armalite.
Another option is the POF Revolution.
At 5.9lbs it’s tempting - would be a stretch to afford.
I don’t have any experience with the Ruger, but the Armalite is very handy and accurate enough out to 500 yards.
I free-floated this 16-incher with a 9-inch Larue rail (now discontinued, I’d use an SLR today). I shot out that barrel and went to a slightly heavier Criterion. In hind-sight I probably should have just got another thin “M14 profile” barrel.
Dude that is pretty sweet. I wish Larue still sold those handguards. I take it yours is a AR10B, have you had any issues with the magazines?
Nope. They’re just M14 mags with a slot and different follower.
Armalite.
Go with the Armalite, I got a tac16, been reliable for 700 rounds and shoots consistent 1.5 in 5 shot groups with fgmm 168 and 175. Ive had several 1 in groups with the 175s but nothing smaller, and like i said only a few 1 in mostly hovers between 1.4 to 1.6 in groups.
Most other ammos hang around 2 moa with m80 around 4.
Going to look at an SFAR this coming week in person. I’ve read I’ll have to change a few things for optimal function, namely the gas block. If I don’t like what I see, an Armalite DEF is going to be the pick.
I’m sure a lot of people wish they could find parts for their Colt 901’s, 308/6.5 Creed rifles. How will parts availability be for the Ruger long term?
You can get a field repair kit for the Armalite for $60 from Armalite or a 3rd party vendor. A whole bcg for ~$260. In a worst case scenario, you can use easily sourced dpms bcg/barrel combos and keep the Armalite running.
Just food for though in case you plan to keep the rifle long term or put a lot of rounds through it.
So I handled a Ruger SFAR in person. While it was lightweight, it felt cheap. Receivers were good and tight, rail was dainty, gas block was not centered (a common complaint). Receiver extension and plastic spacer felt low cost. It would need upgrades in those, some areas, IMO, to be where I wanted it to be. Thus, making the DEF10, also with upgrades the choice for me.
But, the shop had 2 Beretta A300 Patrol shotguns in stock. I shot one and it was the finest, lightest recoil shotgun I’ve shot and I bought one on the spot. The DEF10 will have to wait.
I recently picked up a POF Revolution DI
It’s a quality piece, I’m very happy with it thus far. I picked it up for 2100 shipped. The quality and feel is much nicer than the Ruger offering.
**May have been a mistake. Seems to be more than a few issues with POF
Have a DEF-10. No major modifications.
Got a Tavor 7 and fell in love with that joker. It’s better than the DEF-10 in every way except 2.
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It’s a little heavier, unless you planning on installing a heavy forend or changing out the lightweight barrel anyway.
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It probably won’t be as accurate. The DEF10 can be a sub-2 moa gun pretty easily. The Tavor is going to be 2.5-3.5 moa. Tavor twist rate isn’t desirable for heavier bullets.
Unless you require AR with match ammo / custom load accuracy get a Tavor 7.
I don’t understand the love for the M14 mags. With the DSA LR pattern you have excellent and widely available PMags.
I’ve been extremely pleased with the Aero Precision LR pattern I put together. Everyone loves shooting it.
That’s because it IS cheap.
Big reason I got a 716i was the handguard/gas block/buffer setup. It’s still a cheap rifle too but its much sturdier and better all around design.
POF Rogue was the one I really liked but I’m not ready to ride the POF merry go round for a forth time.
And then the ones I really like are the LMT and Larue but I don’t want to spend several thousand dollars right now.
I have a POF Revolution and it’s been pretty good to me so far. I have complaints, but I also think that it’s one of the better short frame .308 ARs.
M14 magazines work and have since 1956.
I’ve seen P-Mags fail at the most inopportune times. Needless to say, I can’t and won’t trust them for real-world combat.
:eek: Does this apply to .308 only or M3 5.56 too?