Same here!
I would love to see a quality 45 acp upper for the AR platform.
On a side note. Oly makes a 6", .45 barrel for those who are interested in a short suppressed upper or a pistol configuration.
And to think I was about to sell 12 brand new GG mags…
Spooky
I read that also but I believe it to be written by someone who has never used a GG nor the mags.
Unlike the Thompson’s double-column, dual-feed magazine, the Grease Gun used a double-column design that narrowed to a single-cartridge width at the feed end of the magazine. This meant that cartridges in the double-column magazine had to overcome friction in order to reach feeding position
WTF? All magazines have to overcome some friction. The GG mags start to narrow about 1 1/2 from the feed lips like all double stack pistol mags. If you take off the extra cover, welded near the top of the mag, you will see indents in the mag that ease the transition from double to single feed. Just like on a Paraordnance .45 pistol mag.
required a loading device to fill the magazine to capacity
No sh*t. I’ve never loaded one to capacity without a loader. You can take a few coils off the spring to make it easier to load and it will still function fine.
The magazine design was also sensitive to dirt and debris.
Again, WTF? There are no round count holes in the mag body and the base plate fits fairly snug. The only way dirt and debris can enter the mag is through the top. No less subject to dirt than any other mag and better than those with round count holes.
The U.S. Army later issued plastic caps or covers to keep loaded spare magazines from picking up excess dirt and to protect the feed lips, but this proved to be an incomplete solution.
The feed lips do not need protection. They are double width feed lips due to the extra thick cover that surrounds the top 1/4 of the mag. Incomplete solution to what? The GG mags are no more suseptable to dirt than current M16 mags. Welcome to combat conditions.
The M3 grease gun may have had durability issues but the mags I own have fed thousands of rounds without so much as a hic-up. The only issue I’ve encountered is the vast number of manufacturers that made these mags. I measured 10 new in the wrap mags and none were perfectly square.
The AR45 magwell is perfecly square ( as much as can be on a CNC milling machine). I’ve had to adjust all the GG mags I bought by squeezing them ever so gently in a vice until they dropped free from the magwell when released. Other than that, I haven’t had a single issue with the 15+ mags I’ve been using. I’ve also not seen a difference in reliability between the blued mags nor the parkerized mags.
And as a last note, the AR45 mag release will work with either the “D” shaped mag slotted mags and the rectangle slotted mags. This was designed into the mag release during initial prtotyping so all GG mags could be used.
Did you know there were 2 different mag catch slots and 2 different finishes on GG mags?
Nope, I don’t know nothing 'bout nothing when it comes to this subject. That’s why I started looking around to do some research on where I could buy GG mags and stumbled on the wikipedia article I quoted.
Could someone provide a link to a retailer that stocks, or currently has in stock, GG mags?
Thanks for the response TC.
e-gunparts.com and sarco.com have GG mags. e-guns are $21 and change and Sarcos are $19.95 last time I checked.
Bad News. Due to circumstances out of our control, the AR45 will not be displayed at the SHOT Show. DeGroat will not have a table at the show and I don’t know anyone elsewho would be willing to display it for me.
Great news. Ameetec Arms is looking at licensing the AR45 for production. Please contact them and help me convince them it is worth their time to make these.
So did you come up with the idea in Kosovo or Iraq? Im confused.
Thanks for the info! I need to get one of those!
So did you come up with the idea in Kosovo or Iraq? Im confused.
I originally came up with the idea in Kosovo in 2002 but I didn’t do anything with the idea. I spent my time working up the idea for the A1 carry handles that CNC Gunsmithing makes. I actually sat down and put my thoughts and design ideas on paper in Iraq in 2004 after a long search for high capacity .45 magazines. The mag search yielded 4 mags, the Thompson, grease gun, Riesing, and the Spectre .45.
I settled on the grease gun mag because they were cheap, very robust, and the center feed worked better with the Oly .45 system.
In 2004, I contacted Justin at CNC Gunsmithing to help me make a prototype. He designed the unique mag catch and made the whole thing work.
My friend completed one of Justin’s AR45’s. I have an Olympic with converted Uzi mags and have been pretty happy with it, until I got a chance to shoot his.
With the GG mags, you get a larger capacity, cheaper mags, and it’s as easy to load the last round as it is the first! Forget about a mag loader, you don’t need one.
I’m on Justin’s list now to get one of his AR45 lowers to complete, and from what I hear, he only needs one or two more people willing to buy. And, the thread on ARFDC lists a manufacturer who is willing to completed and register it for only $75! I’ll do it myself, but for anyone who doesn’t have access to a milling machine, this is a steal.
Here are a few pics of his:
I’m in for a completed one of these. I have 40+ GG mags already.
Good luck getting a completed AR45 lower! Ameetec seems to be dragging their feet on the deal, and say they can’t make enough money on them as it stands now and want to make changes to the mag catch and go to a forged lower instead. The last thing they posted was that they would like to sell them for around $400, then they said they couldn’t make enough money on them.
If you want one, the best thing to do would be to get a 10% from Justin and have the manufacturer posted on ARFDC complete and register it for you for $75. You would still come out ahead than if Ameetec was producing them, and you would have the full quality billet lower with the original mag catch.
I just spoke to Warren of Ameetec Arms via email. He has yet to respond to why he never sent payment for the AR45 lower or the barrel. His plan was to replace the lower he took with a preproduction lower and a new barrel from Oly. That was not the agreement. He also does not have a contract authorizing him to make preproduction AR45 lower receivers. He has since made my AR45 lower into a Post Sample full auto lower. Now it is gone.
As of now, Tango Chaser Tactical, LLC and CNCGuns have severed all ties with Ameetec Arms and canceled all verbal contracts and agreements to license the rights to manufacture the AR45 lower receiver. Ameetec Arms does not have the authority or the licensed rights to make any AR45 lowers to include preproduction models.
This did not have to come to this. All that was needed was for Warren Mee to display some integrity and comply with the verbal agreement we had for him to purchase the parts he took from me over 2 months ago.
The rest of this saga can be found on AR15.com.
Tango Chaser, OUT.
Warren screwing someone??? Say it isn’t so!
C4
Damn sorry to hear that man. Good luck with everything.
Ok, here we go.
Posted by Warren:
Ok, now that I can get to a computer while I’m visiting family out of state. Let me start by saying that it was a pleasure working with Tangochaser until his Alzheimer started to set in. First of all, he sent us a couple of lowers for re-anodizing and said that one of them was for us to do with as we wished. Including T&E, photos, advertising, etc. So that’s what we did. We had reworked one, engraved it, completed it into a complete rifle, and tested it, and SBRd it. None of which was out of reach from what he said. During our discussions, there was no mention that we couldn’t do any of those. In fact, we worked it out to the point that he wanted a replacement from our first run. That was fine by me seeing that he sacrificed one to us for the cause. Now, he says we stole it from him. The options were to replace it or pay for it, and we agreed on replacement. Only to find out that he had remorse and says he wanted money instead. Which is it? Damn dude, make up your mind. Once you give something to someone, it’s not tactfull to ask for it back, especially once we’ve altered it. On another note, he decided to cause this commotion while I was out of state on leave with family. All his complaining and whining while I have not had the chance to answer. THat’s just messed up. Money is not the issue and I’ll be glad to send it to him. Now that I’ve explained myself, you all can be the judge.
We will on the other hand be offering an 45acp lower that will be a little different and not infringing on his design. So please stay tuned.
Now the truth.
Here he says he will buy it. Nuff Said.
From: “William Putnam” <putnamw@hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 9:58 AM
To: warren@ameetecarms.com
Subject: AR45Warren,
Any luck with the forgings? Did you get a chance to contact my local
machinist for mag catches?Have you given any thought to outright buying my AR45 that you SBR’d? I
mentioned a price in a previous email.Bill
re: AR45
From: warren (warren@ameetecarms.com)Sent:
Tue 4/24/07 8:48 PM
Reply-to:
warren@ameetecarms.comYeah, I’ll call your machinest later this week. We’re slammed. I’ll buy your lower and pay for it or replace it with another…whichever you want. I’ll have to wait til payday as it’ll be taken out of my check then. I’ll keep you posted.
Warren H. Mee
re: AR45
From: warren (warren@ameetecarms.com)
Here he says we will settle up next week. Never happened.
Sent:
Sat 4/28/07 5:22 AM
Reply-to:
warren@ameetecarms.comYup, got your stuff packed up so I’ll send it back along with your receiver that came back from anodizing. It’ll go out Monday. Thanks and we’ll settle up next week.
Warren H. Mee
re: AR45
From: warren (warren@ameetecarms.com)
Here he confirms he will buy the barrel. May 1st.
Sent:
Tue 5/01/07 12:30 AM
Reply-to:
warren@ameetecarms.comGot the lower that was reanodized and upper and parts and stock ready to ship out. I lost your address again. Email it to me so that I can get them back to you and out tomorrow. Thanks. I’ll buy the lower and barrel. Thanks
Warren H. Mee
Another blow off on payment.
RE: AR45
From: warren (warren@ameetecarms.com)Sent:
Sat 5/05/07 5:30 AM
Reply-to:
warren@ameetecarms.comI did. I’ll have to get some money together to send you for the lower and barrel. thanks Bill and I hope this is somewhat successful so that we can buy some Margaritas. heheh
Warren H. Mee
I sent this proposal.
Warren,
I have proposal for you. I have in my possesion a 10% AR45 lower in the white. I does have CNC Gunsmithing engraved on it in 2 spots that can be easily wled over and ground flush.
Would you be interested in swapping my lower you still have for this one? This would allow you to have an AR45 lower with no marking except your own. I would really like to have my serial #1 lower back.
If this is no acceptable, can you give me a status on payment for the lower, barrel, and buffer you still have?
Thanks,
Bill
His answer.
re: AR45 Swap
From: warren (warren@ameetecarms.com)Sent:
Sun 5/27/07 12:06 AM
Reply-to:
warren@ameetecarms.comBill:
I’ll send you payment this week. Remember I already engraved it AMEETEC and logo and info. Also it’s an SBR. I’ll send you back your buffer too as I have hundreds of these 45 buffers I made. Thanks
Warren H. Mee
Payment never sent.
re: AR46 Payment
From: warren (warren@ameetecarms.com)Sent:
Sat 6/09/07 7:52 PM
Reply-to:
warren@ameetecarms.comBill:
I got a new barrel and your buffer coming to you next week. And I’ll pay for the lower. Thanks
Warren H. Mee
Basically a lie as in the next post he says he hasn’t received the barrel yet and how was he planning to get it to me the next week when he is on vacation? And again he says he will pay for the lower.
RE: AR46 Payment
From: warren (warren@ameetecarms.com)Sent:
Mon 6/18/07 5:16 PM
Reply-to:
warren@ameetecarms.comBill:
I’m in Hawaii. Sorry for the lack of communication, but we are making progress with the project. I have not received the barrel yet and was waiting on the other parts to send you the payment and parts together. Didn’t mean to be this way, but please accept my sincere apology.
Warren H. Mee
Don’t want your apology, I want the money for the barrel, buffer and lower. You have the buffer, if you have the barel send it and the money and I’ll shut up.
And now comes the threat to keep my lower and not pay for it in the next post.
RE: AR46 Payment
From: warren (warren@ameetecarms.com)Sent:
Mon 6/18/07 9:28 PM
Reply-to:
warren@ameetecarms.comBill:
Thanks for the communication. I’m taking time out of my day with my relatives to address your concerns. The reason I ordered more barrels is that I wanted to build more repoir with Olympic with their 45 stuff. I also order more that that. Anyways, I would undue the SBR, but since we last spoke of replacing the lower or paying for it, I went ahead and converted it to a POST Dealer sample to run in full auto to see if it could handle that, since I had some local PDs requesting this research to find out whether or not it could handle it. We are 3-4 weeks away from having a preproduction sample in my hands at which time, I’ll send that one to you. I expected the package from OLY to come in by Tuesday last week, but it didn’t and I had to fly out on WEDS. So it might be at the shop now. I can go ahead and send the barrel and buffer to you when I get back or have someone go to the shop for me and ship it to you. Please keep me informed.
Warren H. Mee
And, one more “I’ll send the money” diatribe.
RE: AR46 Payment
From: warren (warren@ameetecarms.com)Sent:
Tue 6/19/07 4:27 AM
Reply-to:
warren@ameetecarms.comBill:
That’s fine and I understand you and your partner’s view. I’m sorry that it had to go like this, but I’m not making any threats. Just want you to see my point of view. It was my mistake not gettiing the payment out to you on a timely fashion, my bad. Just been slammed with the possibility of 1022 ban arising. We really do have something in the works for the pre-production. If things don’t pan out between us, then we’ll go ahead and modify our product so that we don’t incorporate anything you guys designed. If you’ll be so kind to forward me your address, I’ll send payment for the lower and have someone send you the barrel that supposedly arrived at our shop in Gilbert.
Take care and best of luck with your product. Sorry things didn’t work out.
Warren H. Mee
I didn’t know you were on vacation when I started these posts. I found out from another website where you told someone else you were on vacation and it was confirmed by the detective that went to Ameetec Arms looking for you. I was pissed as I couldn’t figure out how you were going to ship parts and money from Hawaii and I was pissed that you could pay for a Hawaii trip but not a mere $510 for parts you’ve been telling me for 2 months you’d buy. All I knew was you blew me off for the fourth time on payment.
It took the Gilbert PD showing up at Ameetec Arms for you to email back and I still don’t have my money/parts.
If a barrel, my buffer and $300 show up at my house in the next week, I’ll shut up and go away. All I want is reimbursment for the lower you “mistakenly” took as you say you didn’t think I wanted it back.
Unbelieveable. He’s acting the same way about shipping your parts and payment for the lower like he did in his thread about production of the AR45. On again, off again, can’t afford it, it’s a go, wait a minute, still looking into it.
I’m glad to see his banner’s been pulled from ARFDC.
Sorry you’re going through all of this crap.
I sense a total lack of surprise.