Not sure about brittle?
I have found the lips of the 20s to be much more prone to damage when dropped, due to the lack of support at the rear.
Well, I found out that the Magpul PMAGs don’t work with my S&W M&P15A. The PMAG doesn’t seat in the magwell at all. The seller took it back and gave me a Brownell in it’s place. I’m sticking with NHMTG, D&H or Brownell. Those seem to work fine.
I would like to know who makes DoubleStar 30rd. Mags? Are they any good? What other brand name mags would you compair them to?
TXGolfer,
will an empty PMAG seat in the gun with the bolt locked back? Or even then will it still not?
Any ideas why?
What r these “red springs” you speak of?
By the way, are the magpul followers really that much better than the green followers in the NHMTG mags?
Colt uses a high grade of spring that are rust colored.
C4
Yes.
C4
The “Extreme Duty” magazine spring available from Ken Elmore at Specialized Armament. Excellent spring.
In the last year the mags I have bought from them have been made by two different vendors.
The mags with the green followers were made by D&H Industries. These have the date code and CAGE code 04TQ4 stamped on the body.
The mags with the Magpul followers were made by C Products LLC. The bodies on these are unmarked.
Both have worked fine.
Those are the ones I’m talking about. Ken feels his spring combined with a Magpul follower and GI body(he call them by the cage code) is about bullet proof, and thats what I run.
He also feels the Green folloer combined with the Red Spring is alos agood combo, thats not given him problems. I have a case like that, that likely will not see use for awhile.
Bob
I’d agree with that.
During his last Colt AC here, Ken passed out bunches of the red springs, and handfuls of his XP green extractor spring. Both are excellent.
I’d wondered about using the red spring in some of the long life mags, like the CP SS and P-Mag, but haven’t done any deliberate experimentation. Anyone else?
Never spent an hour reading one thread until today. Thanks to all that contributed.
Keith
I’m a die hard USGI with Magpul follower user. I’m also a die hard Magpul supporter.
I ordered one PMAG last week and can’t wait to try it, but there are concerns that I have, mainly the spreading of the feed lips.
Thermold overcame this problem and I have 5 that are always loaded for range use that NEVER fail. I think they “Skinned the cat” by putting metal supports in the feed lip area. I would hope that Magpul figures out the same solution because IMHO, there should ne no need for a cap to go on top of the lips to keep them from spreading. Just one more piece to go FUBAR.
Why is this such an issue, and why doesn’t magpul figure it out?
Thanks you for the kind words. As far as the PMAG feed lips spreading; I’ve had a PMAG loaded to 30, no snap cover, sitting on my desk for the last eight months. I’ve checked it several times for spreading by a quick down load of the rounds and a caliper check. No spreading at all. I’d say they have proven zero creeping under constant load for around eight months.
It’s been a hellava hump to get over the hump of the “plastic mag” debate or lack of one. In the past they all were/are sub par at best. As time goes on I think the PMAG is going to be very successful and will change minds of some nay sayers. Don’t go out throwing away you USGI’s though. There are still plenty of funtioning USGI’s out there and we like to recycle here in Boulder so use them till they don’t work!..then buy a PMAG to replace.
I have 16 PMags - I’ve had them for a bit sitting loaded 24/7 in the Iraqi heat.
No issues with spreading so far - Rich arranged for me to get the new upgrade bodies (even when I told him that I could not ship the old ones back to him - APO shipping rules) and even when I told him I did not feel I needed them - Magpul just wants to ensure they have the best product out there.
As a former Canadian soldier issued Thermold mags - I have the best reason not to trust Polymer mags (Thermold IMHO NEVER solved the problem) and yet while I retired my G19 in favour of my 1911, and run a M4A1 instead of our issued Sig552 (which has polymer mags too) - I have been extremly pleased with the PMag
Go see the pics I put up about running one over (and back again) with a Armored Suburban. - that mag still runs 4 months after it was run over, and spine cracked a bit – left loaded as well BTW.
Tha canadian Thermolds always had isues because they weren’t reinforced in the lip area.
My 5 US made Thermolds as I had stated are loaded 24/7 and have been for 7 years with no lip spreading.
If there isn’t an issue with the PMAG lips, why do we need amother piece of plastic to worryabout (the Mag cap). Looking forward to getting mine in the mail anyday to test it out.
I used the Black Floor plate to indicate which mags are M995 AP.
I think Magpul offered the top plate as not just a brace - but also a dust cover for long term storage.
What chest rig is that?
Where can you find the Ken Elmore red springs?